[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] [renamed] Key early questions

[James Galvin]

So, three things.

First, you’re asserting that if there’s a DNS lookup then you’re 
part of the Internet infrastructure.  I think that’s overreaching.  I 
agree that the DNS infrastructure is part of the Internet 
infrastructure.  If I have a domain name and I want it to be useful then 
I need to use the DNS infrastructure, but I’m not convinced that makes 
me and my domain name part of the Internet infrastructure.

Second, perhaps you didn’t mean this but you carefully stated that if 
“other people on the Internet can initiate connections toward you” 
then you are operating Internet infrastructure.  Well, suppose my domain 
name is for my own personal use.  Obviously if it’s on the Internet 
and it might be reachable by others on the Internet for any number of 
reasons we don’t need to expand on here.  However, by design, no one 
other than myself can use the domain name and actually connect, so I 
don’t think it’s part of the Internet infrastructure.

Third, what if I acquire a domain name but don’t actually use it.  
I’m just squatting and it’s part of my portfolio.  By your 
definition I’m not part of the Internet infrastructure since there can 
be no connections to a name that’s not deployed.

We may just be word smithing here but that is exactly my point about 
whether or not we can define “infrastructure” in such a way that all 
domain names are automatically included.

Jim




On 11 May 2016, at 15:53, Andrew Sullivan wrote:

> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 03:46:59PM -0400, James Galvin wrote:
>> However, it does mean that we have to define “infrastructure”.  
>> I’m hopeful
>> there’s a baseline for which we could get broad agreement.
>
> If other people on the Internet can initiate connections toward you in
> the normal operation of the service using the facility, you are
> operating Internet infrastructure.
>
>> Unfortunately, in my experience, we do not have broad agreement on 
>> whether
>> having a domain name means you are part of the Internet 
>> infrastructure.
>
> You are because people will perform DNS lookups for that domain, and
> thereby be covered under the above ostensive definition.  I'd be
> interested in seeing some sort of argument as to how domain names are
> not part of the Internet infrastructure.
>
> Best regards,
>
> A
>
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