[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article 29 Working Party to ICANN

Thu Dec 7 21:17:06 UTC 2017

The question has never been asked directly. So you want to get me on the
bus, ask the question, as I have phrased it directly.

But considering almost all the anti-abuse and security types have more
or less been bullied off the bus, does it really matter anymore?

j

On 12/07/2017 03:01 PM, theo geurts wrote:
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> And as confirmed by Hamilton.
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> And as confirmed by the Dutch DPA.
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> And as confirmed by WP29.
>
> John, why do we keep having this conversation?
> What do we need to do here to get you on the bus, so we do not get
> under the bus?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Theo
>
>
>
>
> On 7-12-2017 21:41, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>> No, not necessarily. The criteria for obtaining valid, freely-given
>> consent is demanding, and one cannot be asked to consent to
>> processing that is otherwise unlawful. We were told in the first
>> legal memo from WSGR that consent is not a silver bullet here.
>>
>> — Ayden  
>>
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article 29 Working Party to ICANN
>>> Local Time: 7 December 2017 8:18 PM
>>> UTC Time: 7 December 2017 20:18
>>> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>> To: Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>
>>> This interpretation is wrong. The latter clearly says that consent
>>> in the current system is not clearly given. If a domain holder had
>>> the free and informed option to publish information in whois or not
>>> THIS ISSUE IS SOLVED. 
>>>
>>> --
>>> John Bambenek
>>>
>>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 17:59, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Michele,
>>>>
>>>> I read this a final and very clear warning from the European DPAs
>>>> to ICANN and its contracted parties to stop messing about and start
>>>> getting ready in time for May 25. The references to previous
>>>> notices make it very clear that there will be no  consideration
>>>> given after that date. While the letter contains nothing new to
>>>> anyone who has paid any attention, it is very clear in its message:
>>>> Public Whois is illegal in its current shape and form, and there is
>>>> no way to make it legal without making it non-public.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Volker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 06.12.2017 um 21:49 schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:
>>>>> All
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd highly recommend that you take the time to read the latest letter from the Article 29 Working Party to ICANN:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/falque-pierrotin-to-chalaby-marby-06Dec17-en.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> (also attached)
>>>>>
>>>>> For clarity the Article 29 WP represents the views of the DPAs of the EU member states. In many instances DPAs will address their concerns via this group rather than individually.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Michele
>>>>> 
>>>>>
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