[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article 29 Working Party to ICANN

Fri Dec 8 06:00:01 UTC 2017

You seem to think this is about me and not the dozens of security and
anti-abuse professionals who have left this list... I am not sure why
you think that.

You also seem to think by saying I haven't come up with a better
solution (whois privacy for free) or that I support that status quo (I
do not), that it makes it true.

But it's also when we talk about exactly those things Chuck chimes in to
say we aren't there yet, which is why I've refrained.

I will be contributing once we are talking about those issues as I have
been contributing in ways outside your visibility up to this point.

But that doesn't mitigate or change the conduct of members of this list
who have engaged in a pattern of bullying, manipulation, and sexism to
try to make their point. It has not gone unnoticed.

j

On 12/07/2017 11:42 PM, benny at nordreg.se wrote:
> Sorry to point it out but imo you have bullied yourself of the buss
> with not wanting to contribute to a new solution where you can exist
> but in same time we can make a better solution overall which not equal
> Status Quo.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 7 Dec 2017, at 22:17, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>> wrote:
>
>> The question has never been asked directly. So you want to get me on
>> the bus, ask the question, as I have phrased it directly.
>>
>> But considering almost all the anti-abuse and security types have
>> more or less been bullied off the bus, does it really matter anymore?
>>
>> j
>>
>>
>> On 12/07/2017 03:01 PM, theo geurts wrote:
>>>
>>> And as confirmed by Hamilton.
>>>
>>> And as confirmed by the Dutch DPA.
>>>
>>> And as confirmed by WP29.
>>>
>>> John, why do we keep having this conversation?
>>> What do we need to do here to get you on the bus, so we do not get
>>> under the bus?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Theo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7-12-2017 21:41, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>> No, not necessarily. The criteria for obtaining valid, freely-given
>>>> consent is demanding, and one cannot be asked to consent to
>>>> processing that is otherwise unlawful. We were told in the first
>>>> legal memo from WSGR that consent is not a silver bullet here.
>>>>
>>>> — Ayden  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article 29 Working Party to ICANN
>>>>> Local Time: 7 December 2017 8:18 PM
>>>>> UTC Time: 7 December 2017 20:18
>>>>> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>> To: Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>
>>>>> This interpretation is wrong. The latter clearly says that consent
>>>>> in the current system is not clearly given. If a domain holder had
>>>>> the free and informed option to publish information in whois or
>>>>> not THIS ISSUE IS SOLVED. 
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> John Bambenek
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 17:59, Volker Greimann
>>>>> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Michele,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I read this a final and very clear warning from the European DPAs
>>>>>> to ICANN and its contracted parties to stop messing about and
>>>>>> start getting ready in time for May 25. The references to
>>>>>> previous notices make it very clear that there will be no 
>>>>>> consideration given after that date. While the letter contains
>>>>>> nothing new to anyone who has paid any attention, it is very
>>>>>> clear in its message: Public Whois is illegal in its current
>>>>>> shape and form, and there is no way to make it legal without
>>>>>> making it non-public.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Volker
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 06.12.2017 um 21:49 schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:
>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd highly recommend that you take the time to read the latest letter from the Article 29 Working Party to ICANN:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/falque-pierrotin-to-chalaby-marby-06Dec17-en.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (also attached)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For clarity the Article 29 WP represents the views of the DPAs of the EU member states. In many instances DPAs will address their concerns via this group rather than individually.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michele
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> -- 
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>>>>>>
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