[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Domain Name Management

[Volker Greimann]

However, as registrars are required to roll back unwanted ownerchanges 
and transfers, such as those performed by a hijacker, what use is the 
whois record if at the time of the due diligence the whois does not 
reflect the legitimate ownership, but rather only the details of the 
criminal trying to flog what is not his?

Whois can be an indicator of ownership but it is not evidence.

Volker


Am 08.12.2017 um 16:24 schrieb Sam Lanfranco:
> It might help to distinguish between two types of "prospective buyer" 
> here. One is an unsolicited (possibly unwelcome) inquiry about 
> purchase, and the other is an offer to buy based on an owner's intent 
> to sell, or willingness to respond to a purchase query.  In the first 
> case the owner, and the registrar, have no obligation, and the 
> interested party is left to its own devices. As well, neither requires 
> deep access to the registration data.
>
> For someone taking over a domain name, one would expect that they 
> would do due diligence both in cooperation with the seller, and 
> throughout the nooks and crannies of the Internet ecosystem. Deeper 
> access to RDS/whois type data would probably be a tiny part of that 
> due diligence, and access to more private data is an issue between the 
> buyer and the seller. There is scope for due diligence and dialogue 
> outside the registration data, and domain names are not like products 
> in a vending machine. One does not look through the glass, put money 
> in the slot, and punch a button, with a URL falling out of the 
> machine. It is a negotiation with due diligence.  (my 2 cents here)
>
> Sam L.
>
>
> On 12/8/2017 9:54 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:
>> I would disagree. The only entities permitted to perform domain 
>> management actions, are the registrant, the registrar, and any agents 
>> deignated by them to perform these roles. A prospective buyer does 
>> not conduct domain management functions until he is entered as 
>> registrant.
>>
>>
>> Am 08.12.2017 um 15:49 schrieb Andrew Sullivan:
>>> On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 12:55:54PM -0500, Sam Lanfranco wrote:
>>>> Management (as a verb) is normally taken to mean the active 
>>>> engagement of
>>>> the owner, or owner's contractually related parties, in the 
>>>> organization and
>>>> coordination of the activities of a business in order to achieve 
>>>> defined
>>>> objectives. Using the word "management" here suggests that we are 
>>>> limiting
>>>> ourselves to what data elements are necessary to collect for the 
>>>> use of the
>>>> domain name holder, the registrar and the registry. There are no other
>>>> parties engaged in the "management" of the domain name.
>>>>
>>>> Correct?
>>> It seems to me that someone taking over a domain name -- that is, a
>>> prospective registrant or domain name holder -- is also another party,
>>> but perhaps that's just a variant on the above.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> A
>>>
>>
>

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