[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Domain Name Management

Fri Dec 8 16:36:20 UTC 2017

Some registrars offer ownership certification services. That would be an 
alternate third party verification, possibly even better than someone 
looking at a whois record.

Best,

Volker

Am 08.12.2017 um 17:33 schrieb allison nixon:
> Even from the point of view of the person controlling the domain, the 
> outside verification is extremely valuable. Incidents of account 
> takeover don't always end well for the original account holder, and 
> companies in general (not just registrars, but telcos, social media 
> companies, etc), are NOT forthcoming about details about what the bad 
> actor did while signed into the victim's account. Sometimes this is 
> due to bad customer service, or bad internal recordkeeping. Many 
> instances of failure to return the account to the owner is actually 
> because historical account data is NOT saved by the company.
>
> For the domain takeover incidents I have seen, the current and 
> historical WHOIS record is not just evidence, but it is sometimes the 
> only evidence available as to when the activity started, what was 
> affected, and what was attempted. Not only that, but it serves as 
> outside verifiable evidence that the original registrant *really was* 
> the original registrant. Without that, we take the registrar's word 
> for everything, which may or may not be accurate or complete.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Andrew Sullivan 
> <ajs at anvilwalrusden.com <mailto:ajs at anvilwalrusden.com>> wrote:
>
>     On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 11:13:53AM -0500, allison nixon wrote:
>     > >>Whois can be an indicator of ownership but it is not evidence.
>     >
>     > No, it is evidence and it has been used as evidence in the past. For
>     > example one case years ago when some Army domains were hijacked
>     and the
>     > WHOIS data was changed to the name of a hacker gang. the
>     historical whois
>     > data, the date of the change, and other factors were used as
>     evidence for
>     > the timeline of events. And the people constructing that
>     timeline were not
>     > working for the Army and didn't own the registrar account.
>
>     Well, ok, but that doesn't mean this is domain name management,
>     either.  It might be some other use case (I think it probably is --
>     abuse prevention or something).  The management case does seem to me
>     to be only those who are directly interested in the normal operation
>     of the domain from the point of view of controlling it, and the only
>     question is whether the interested parties are necessarily somehow
>     involved in the contractual relationship with the registry and
>     involved registrars.  I think Volker is saying, "Yes," and I'm saying,
>     "Maybe not."
>
>     Best regards,
>
>     A
>
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