[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article 29 Working Party to ICANN
Paul Keating
Paul at law.es
Mon Dec 11 18:03:09 UTC 2017
Volker,
As noted great efforts today.
Can you share the Play Book in its current draft?
Paul
From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
allison nixon <elsakoo at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, December 11, 2017 at 6:52 PM
To: Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>
Cc: RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article 29 Working Party to ICANN
> See, this is why the private sector has legitimate concerns about having
> access. First, we are assured that we will have access, then the goalposts
> move. How far can we expect them to move?
>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>
> wrote:
>>
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>> Depends what you define as a failure. First of all, the new system should
>> check all the boxes for legitimate data processing. If we find that there is
>> no way to allow third party access legally, we will have to live with that.
>> It will be hard to justify just anyone accessing such data, so there needs to
>> be a controlled access model.
>>
>>
>>
>> Who ultimately will have access will have to be determined down the road. Any
>> gated access model will be an improvement over blank whois though, as I hope
>> you will agree.
>>
>>
>> I for one define anything that will not get us sued for violation of data
>> protection regulations a success. Anything on top is a stretch goal that can
>> be tackled once the premier goal is met.
>>
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>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Volker
>>
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>> Am 11.12.2017 um 18:37 schrieb allison nixon:
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>>>
>>> this is the first time ive heard of this existing. how does one get access?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> if the private sector cannot get access, then it is already a failure.
>>>
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>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Chen, Tim <tim at domaintools.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> and just because it's being done doesn't mean it's being done effectively.
>>>>
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>>>> do we have any data from the users of these currently-existing gated
>>>> systems to get their opinion as to whether it works for them?
>>>>
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>>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
>>>> <michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We have been thinking about what it means in reality, as we are the ones
>>>>> who will have to implement it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For now, I can see a situation where a registrar will end up running RDAP
>>>>> with ACLs. And there¹ll be layers of access with logging etc.,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It¹s already being done by a lot of ccTLDs and by two gTLDs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just because it¹s not ³simple² doesn¹t mean it can¹t be done.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michele
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr Michele Neylon
>>>>>
>>>>> Blacknight Solutions
>>>>>
>>>>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.blacknight.com/
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
>>>>> Richard Leaning <rleaning at ripe.net>
>>>>> Date: Monday 11 December 2017 at 15:00
>>>>> To: Chuck <consult at cgomes.com>
>>>>> Cc: gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article 29 Working Party to ICANN
>>>>>
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>>>>> Dear All,
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>>>>> Wasn¹t sure to add to this thread a start a new one.
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>>>>> Accreditation and tiered access is something am hearing regularly now when
>>>>> discussing a Œnew¹ whois. Its was spoken about in corridors and bars at
>>>>> the last ICANN meeting and when am walking around Brussels from meeting to
>>>>> meeting, conference to conference its always popping up as the thing thats
>>>>> going to save us all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> But has anyone stopped to think about this, what do these small words mean
>>>>> in reality. So who is going to decided who should be accredited, ICANN?
>>>>> ITU? Interpol? Europol? some brand new organisations? this debate alone
>>>>> will take another 5 years on top of the years we are going to spend on
>>>>> this WG.
>>>>>
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>>>>> Just wanted to point out that everyone throws this around without actually
>>>>> considering what it means in the real world.
>>>>>
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>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dick
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>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Leaning
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>>>>> External Relations
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>>>>> RIPE NCC
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>>>>>> On 8 Dec 2017, at 21:45, Chuck <consult at cgomes.com
>>>>>> <mailto:consult at cgomes.com> > wrote:
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>>>>>> Caution to all. This thread is getting too personal and that is not
>>>>>> constructive.
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>>>>>> Chuck
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>>>>>> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> ] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> benny at nordreg.se <mailto:benny at nordreg.se>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 9:27 AM
>>>>>> To: allison nixon <elsakoo at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Cc: RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article 29 Working Party to ICANN
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>>>>>> About behavior in the discussion in general
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>>>>>> Who bullies who...
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>>>>>> I did not mention any particular and it was a comment on a view of the
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>>>>>> Your assumptions are way of track and insulting in so many ways. And
>>>>>> kind of show my point, a comment misused by quoting it out of context
>>>>>> making it a fact with out context.
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>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>> On 8 Dec 2017, at 18:16, allison nixon <elsakoo at gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:elsakoo at gmail.com> > wrote:
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>>>>>>> Please clarify: "SureŠ your pals are always innocent right?"
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>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2017 12:03 PM, "benny at nordreg.se <mailto:benny at nordreg.se> "
>>>>>>> <benny at nordreg.se <mailto:benny at nordreg.se> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Criminals were did that come from???
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>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>>> On 8 Dec 2017, at 17:22, allison nixon <elsakoo at gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:elsakoo at gmail.com> > wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> >> SureŠ your pals are always innocent right?
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>>>>>>>>> >> Lets just agree that we have different viewpoints on this.
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>>>>>>> I'm assuming you're referencing the earlier defamation against spamhaus
>>>>>>> that occurred on this list, apparently without the leadership of this
>>>>>>> list flagging it as inappropriate? Or are you accusing someone else of
>>>>>>> being a criminal? Please do be more specific. It's better when the
>>>>>>> defamation is explicit rather than inferred.
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>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 1:48 AM, benny at nordreg.se
>>>>>>> <mailto:benny at nordreg.se> <benny at nordreg.se <mailto:benny at nordreg.se> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SureŠ your pals are always innocent right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lets just agree that we have different viewpoints on this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Med vänliga hälsningar / Kind Regards / Med vennlig hilsen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Benny Samuelsen
>>>>>>> Registry Manager - Domainexpert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nordreg AB - ICANN accredited registrar
>>>>>>> IANA-ID: 638
>>>>>>> Phone: +46.42197000 <tel:%2B46.42197000>
>>>>>>> Direct: +47.32260201 <tel:%2B47.32260201>
>>>>>>> Mobile: +47.40410200 <tel:%2B47.40410200>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > On 8 Dec 2017, at 07:28, John Bambenek <jcb at bambenekconsulting.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:jcb at bambenekconsulting.com> > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Remind me again, which side of this fight has been disparaging and
>>>>>>>> defaming the other side? Please. Its your pals that have been engaging
>>>>>>>> in a pattern of sexism, not mine.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>> > John Bambenek
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >> On Dec 8, 2017, at 14:11, "benny at nordreg.se
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:benny at nordreg.se> " <benny at nordreg.se
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:benny at nordreg.se> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> No it¹s not about you, it¹s about the way people form the group
>>>>>>>>> you apparently represent have been acting in discussions.
>>>>>>>>> >> And that have imo been manipulating for making no progress.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Well free privacy whois isn't a solution as long as the anti abuse
>>>>>>>>> people states that it will create problems for the user.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>>> >> Med vänliga hälsningar / Kind Regards / Med vennlig hilsen
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Benny Samuelsen
>>>>>>>>> >> Registry Manager - Domainexpert
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Nordreg AB - ICANN accredited registrar
>>>>>>>>> >> IANA-ID: 638
>>>>>>>>> >> Phone: +46.42197000 <tel:%2B46.42197000>
>>>>>>>>> >> Direct: +47.32260201 <tel:%2B47.32260201>
>>>>>>>>> >> Mobile: +47.40410200 <tel:%2B47.40410200>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> On 8 Dec 2017, at 07:00, John Bambenek
>>>>>>>>>> <jcb at bambenekconsulting.com <mailto:jcb at bambenekconsulting.com> >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> You seem to think this is about me and not the dozens of
>>>>>>>>>> security and anti-abuse professionals who have left this list... I am
>>>>>>>>>> not sure why you think that.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> You also seem to think by saying I haven't come up with a better
>>>>>>>>>> solution (whois privacy for free) or that I support that status quo
>>>>>>>>>> (I do not), that it makes it true.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> But it's also when we talk about exactly those things Chuck
>>>>>>>>>> chimes in to say we aren't there yet, which is why I've refrained.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> I will be contributing once we are talking about those issues as
>>>>>>>>>> I have been contributing in ways outside your visibility up to this
>>>>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> But that doesn't mitigate or change the conduct of members of
>>>>>>>>>> this list who have engaged in a pattern of bullying, manipulation,
>>>>>>>>>> and sexism to try to make their point. It has not gone unnoticed.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> j
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On 12/07/2017 11:42 PM, benny at nordreg.se
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:benny at nordreg.se> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Sorry to point it out but imo you have bullied yourself of the
>>>>>>>>>>> buss with not wanting to contribute to a new solution where you can
>>>>>>>>>>> exist but in same time we can make a better solution overall which
>>>>>>>>>>> not equal Status Quo.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On 7 Dec 2017, at 22:17, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg
>>>>>>>>>>>> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> The question has never been asked directly. So you want to
>>>>>>>>>>>> get me on the bus, ask the question, as I have phrased it
>>>>>>>>>>>> directly.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> But considering almost all the anti-abuse and security types
>>>>>>>>>>>> have more or less been bullied off the bus, does it really matter
>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> j
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/07/2017 03:01 PM, theo geurts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> And as confirmed by Hamilton.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> And as confirmed by the Dutch DPA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> And as confirmed by WP29.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> John, why do we keep having this conversation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> What do we need to do here to get you on the bus, so we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not get under the bus?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Theo
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7-12-2017 21:41, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, not necessarily. The criteria for obtaining valid,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freely-given consent is demanding, and one cannot be asked to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consent to processing that is otherwise unlawful. We were told in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the first legal memo from WSGR that consent is not a silver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullet here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ‹ Ayden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article 29 Working Party
to ICANN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Local Time: 7 December 2017 8:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> UTC Time: 7 December 2017 20:18
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To: Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This interpretation is wrong. The latter clearly says
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that consent in the current system is not clearly given. If a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> domain holder had the free and informed option to publish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information in whois or not THIS ISSUE IS SOLVED.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John Bambenek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 17:59, Volker Greimann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net> >
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Michele,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I read this a final and very clear warning from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> European DPAs to ICANN and its contracted parties to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> messing about and start getting ready in time for May 25. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> references to previous notices make it very clear that there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be no consideration given after that date. While the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter contains nothing new to anyone who has paid any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention, it is very clear in its message: Public Whois is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegal in its current shape and form, and there is no way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make it legal without making it non-public.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Volker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Am 06.12.2017 um 21:49 schrieb Michele Neylon -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blacknight:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd highly recommend that you take the time to read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the latest letter from the Article 29 Working Party to ICANN:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/falque-pi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> errotin-to-chalaby-marby-06Dec17-en.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/falque-p
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ierrotin-to-chalaby-marby-06Dec17-en.pdf>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (also attached)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For clarity the Article 29 WP represents the views
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the DPAs of the EU member states. In many instances DPAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will address their concerns via this group rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individually.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Michele
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mr Michele Neylon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Blacknight Solutions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.blacknight.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.blacknight.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://blacknight.blog/ <https://blacknight.blog/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://ceo.hosting/ <https://ceo.hosting/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Should you have any further questions, please do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hesitate to contact us.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Volker A. Greimann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - legal department -
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Key-Systems GmbH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Im Oberen Werk 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E%3
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>>
>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>>
>> Volker A. Greimann
>> - Rechtsabteilung -
>>
>> Key-Systems GmbH
>> Im Oberen Werk 1
>> 66386 St. Ingbert
>> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 <tel:+49%206894%209396901>
>> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 <tel:+49%206894%209396851>
>> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>
>> Web: www.key-systems.net <http://www.key-systems.net> / www.RRPproxy.net
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>>
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>> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
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>>
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>> Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Volker A. Greimann
>> - legal department -
>>
>> Key-Systems GmbH
>> Im Oberen Werk 1
>> 66386 St. Ingbert
>> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 <tel:+49%206894%209396901>
>> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 <tel:+49%206894%209396851>
>> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>
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>> <http://www.BrandShelter.com>
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>> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
>> www.facebook.com/KeySystems <http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>
>> www.twitter.com/key_systems <http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
>>
>> CEO: Alexander Siffrin
>> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
>>
>> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>> www.keydrive.lu <http://www.keydrive.lu>
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