[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPROTANT - Action Items and Notes from Next-Generation RDS PDP Working Group Call - 17 May 2017

Thu May 18 14:09:21 UTC 2017

Counterpoint: any breaks in the title or illicit transfers make your current ownership suspect. The historical title history IS important. 

There are analogies for this in abuse also (sniping expired domains for abuse, etc). 

And still we are talking THIN data. 

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> On May 18, 2017, at 04:48, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> as I am buying a house right now, this is easy to answer:
> 
> I certainly want to know who I am buying from. I want to know that the person exists, has the legal title to the house, etc. But at this time, that is not historical data. It is the current data. And that data is not necessarily public, it exists in a register somewhere that I pay for to have someone look at.
> 
> I do not care who owned the house before that. The register may have that information for historical and evidence purposes, but I do not care. All I need to know is that all previous transfers of ownership were handled correctly and no one else has any claim to the property I am buying.
> 
> Ah, and of course: Domain names are not property, they are licenses to use.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Volker
> 
>> Am 17.05.2017 um 19:52 schrieb Paul Keating:
>> When you go to buy a used car would you think that knowing the history of
>> ownership might be important?
>> 
>> When you buy a house, do you not believe that knowing who the prior owners
>> were and verifying the validity of prior transfers was important?
>> 
>> When dealing with a trademark issue, do you not believe it important to be
>> able to see the registration records and assignment histories?
>> 
>> 
>> Please explain to me what is the difference with a domain name?
>> 
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> On 5/17/17, 7:46 PM, "Jeremy Malcolm" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>> on behalf of jmalcolm at eff.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>> On 17/5/17 9:40 am, Michael Peddemors wrote:
>>>> Yes, this is the common argument, however IMHO this is a red herring..
>>>> There are more efficient ways for 'harvesters' to gain data, and
>>>> others way to prevent such abuse..
>>>> 
>>>> Again, IMHO this argument is another case of impacting the many
>>>> legitimate users, for the sake of a few bad apples..
>>>> 
>>>> And I havent' seen any arguments yet, of a case scenario which can't
>>>> be addressed by other means..
>>> So to reverse this, what are the *legitimate* purposes of harvesting?
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