[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access

Tue May 30 20:50:06 UTC 2017

Abuse is the improper usage or treatment of an entity, often to unfairly or improperly gain benefit. In our context, abuse is the improper usage of WHOIS/RDS to unfairly or improperly gain access to information or to game the system. 
Here are some of the overarching principles which should guide us when building RDS: 

DATA LIFECYCLE                        PRIVACY PRINCIPLE                                       PROTECTION MEASURECollection                       Proportionality and purpose specification                     Data minimisation, Data qualityStorage                   Accountability, Security measures, Sensitive data               Confidentiality, Encryption, PseudonomisationSharing and processing Lawfulness and fairness, Consent, Right of access  Data access control, Data leakage preventionDeletion                               Openness, Right to erasure                                        Retention, Archival, Erasure

If such principles are not respected, ICANN will be liable. Consumers don't need to have all the thin data when making a query. This could protect them and enable them to have access to the RDS without raising much opposition.  
Now, we could discuss the possibility for broader query types. These principles would still apply, but would be contextualized in order to take into account new sets of parameters for each broader query. By increasing granularity as much as possible, while applying these aformentioned principles, we just might find a way to accomodate everyone.  

 Nathalie  

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:00 PM, John Horton <john.horton at legitscript.com> wrote:

 I was going to reply to Natalie's email as well, but Paul's comments capture my thoughts, so: +1. 
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On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Paul Keating <paul at law.es> wrote:

Natalie,
Thank you for the email.  Im copying the list because i see others have replied to your comment.
I strenuously object to the concept.  We are discussing THIN DATA ONLY HERE.  Unless someone can explain to me why any of this data set has privacy concerns this is a non-issue.  I would certainly appreciate someone explaining what, if any, privacy issues are perceived to be at issue here.
Moreover, while you suggest that the idea escapes the need to declare a purpose, it does nothing but reinforce a subjective criteria based system in which the declared purpose is used to somehow limit the data being retrieved.
If i am missing something please let me know. 
Paul
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On 30 May 2017, at 21:08, nathalie coupet via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> wrote:

Hi Paul,
In the context of thin data, in view of the opposition of some to allow unauthenticated access to all the thin data, the principle of proportionality serves as an over-arching principle at this particular phase in our work in order to protect data from abuse while not restricting access.   Thin data must be proportionate to the query, be useful for that particular query. All and any other thin data foreign to this query should not be shared. This principle potentially avoids having to resort to 'legitimate purposes' which cannot be verified for unauthenticated access.     Nathalie  

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:44 PM, "Gomes, Chuck via gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> wrote:

 Because Nathalie was the originator and was unable to speak on the call, I encourage her to describe the nature of the issue on this thread.    Chuck    From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann. org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg- bounces at icann.org]On Behalf Of Paul Keating
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To: Lisa Phifer <lisa at corecom.com>; RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access    Im sorry to have missed the call but had a client engagement.    Can someone briefly describe the nature of the issue?    Thanks Paul    From:<gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@ icann.org> on behalf of Lisa Phifer <lisa at corecom.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 7:52 PM
To: RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access    
All, per today's call action item:

Action Item: Nathalie Coupet and any other WG members who wish to do so to propose to the WG list a new principle on proportionality for "thin data." All WG members to comment on that proposed principle in advance of next call.

we are starting a new thread here which anyone may reply to if they wish to propose (or respond to) a new principle on proportionality for "thin data" access.

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