[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access

allison nixon elsakoo at gmail.com
Tue May 30 20:52:32 UTC 2017 

so can you name one specific example of how someone could abuse thin data?

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM, nathalie coupet via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <
gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> wrote:

> *Abuse* is the improper usage or treatment of an entity
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity>, often to unfairly
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributive_justice> or improperly gain
> benefit. In our context, abuse is the improper usage of WHOIS/RDS to
> unfairly or improperly gain access to information or to game the system.
>
> Here are some of the overarching principles which should guide us when
> building RDS:
>
> DATA LIFECYCLE                        PRIVACY PRINCIPLE
>                     PROTECTION MEASURE
> Collection                       Proportionality and purpose specification
>                     Data minimisation, Data quality
> Storage                   Accountability, Security measures, Sensitive
> data               Confidentiality, Encryption, Pseudonomisation
> Sharing and processing Lawfulness and fairness, Consent, Right of access
>  Data access control, Data leakage prevention
> Deletion                               Openness, Right to erasure
>                                Retention, Archival, Erasure
>
>
> If such principles are not respected, ICANN will be liable. Consumers
> don't need to have all the thin data when making a query. This could
> protect them and enable them to have access to the RDS without raising much
> opposition.
>
> Now, we could discuss the possibility for broader query types. These
> principles would still apply, but would be contextualized in order to take
> into account new sets of parameters for each broader query. By increasing
> granularity as much as possible, while applying these aformentioned
> principles, we just might find a way to accomodate everyone.
>
>
>
> Nathalie
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:00 PM, John Horton <john.horton at legitscript.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> I was going to reply to Natalie's email as well, but Paul's comments
> capture my thoughts, so: *+1. *
>
> John Horton
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> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Paul Keating <paul at law.es> wrote:
>
> Natalie,
>
> Thank you for the email.  Im copying the list because i see others have
> replied to your comment.
>
> I strenuously object to the concept.  We are discussing THIN DATA ONLY
> HERE.  Unless someone can explain to me why any of this data set has
> privacy concerns this is a non-issue.  I would certainly appreciate someone
> explaining what, if any, privacy issues are perceived to be at issue here.
>
> Moreover, while you suggest that the idea escapes the need to declare a
> purpose, it does nothing but reinforce a subjective criteria based system
> in which the declared purpose is used to somehow limit the data being
> retrieved.
>
> If i am missing something please let me know.
>
> Paul
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 30 May 2017, at 21:08, nathalie coupet via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <
> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> In the context of thin data, in view of the opposition of some to allow
> unauthenticated access to all the thin data, the principle of
> proportionality serves as an over-arching principle at this particular
> phase in our work in order to protect data from abuse while not restricting
> access.
> Thin data must be proportionate to the query, be useful for that
> particular query. All and any other thin data foreign to this query should
> not be shared. This principle potentially avoids having to resort to
> 'legitimate purposes' which cannot be verified for unauthenticated access.
>
>
>
> Nathalie
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:44 PM, "Gomes, Chuck via gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <
> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> wrote:
>
>
> Because Nathalie was the originator and was unable to speak on the call, I
> encourage her to describe the nature of the issue on this thread.
>
> Chuck
>
> *From:* gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann. org
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-
> bounces at icann.org <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Paul
> Keating
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:17 PM
> *To:* Lisa Phifer <lisa at corecom.com>; RDS PDP WG <
> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality
> for "Thin Data"access
>
> Im sorry to have missed the call but had a client engagement.
>
> Can someone briefly describe the nature of the issue?
>
> Thanks
> Paul
>
> *From: *<gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@ icann.org
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Lisa Phifer <
> lisa at corecom.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 7:52 PM
> *To: *RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin
> Data"access
>
>
> All, per today's call action item:
>
>
>
> *Action Item: Nathalie Coupet and any other WG members who wish to do so
> to propose to the WG list a new principle on proportionality for "thin
> data." All WG members to comment on that proposed principle in advance of
> next call. *we are starting a new thread here which anyone may reply to
> if they wish to propose (or respond to) a new principle on proportionality
> for "thin data" access.
>
> Best, Lisa
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