[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Contactability

[Volker Greimann]

Hi Andrew,

I guess our interpretations of the word "required" are different. It is 
certainly beneficial and helpful to have that system, but to say it is a 
conditio sine qua non is going to far as is aptly demonstrated by major 
ccTLDs not devolving into chaos despite removing the direct contact 
methods.

Again, I am not disputing the logic and benefit of having such a system, 
I am merely thinking that the notion that it is required needs further 
thought.

Volker


Am 28.11.2017 um 18:58 schrieb Andrew Sullivan:
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 06:43:31PM +0100, Volker Greimann wrote:
>> re:hotbed I was rather intending to ask whether there is a direct
>> correllation between TLDs with redacted whois and issues that go unresolved.
>> So do you have more unresolved issues in .co.uk than in .com (if numbers are
>> normalized for registered domain names).
> I think the problem with that approach is that you're talking about
> the average case rather than whether something is working by design.
>
> As a general matter, of course, _most_ sites don't have unresolved
> issues, and most people don't have bilateral connections with most
> domains, so it would be essentially impossible to measure how often
> this problem happens.
>
> The point is that the design of the Internet _requires_ this sort of
> contact system precisely because it is based on entities connecting
> without any prior contractual or indirect-contractual relationship.
> In a contempoary phone system, everyone is subject to the contractual
> relationships, often transitively and through the treaty orgs.  But
> that's not how packets on the Internet flow.
>
>> I am sure no one would consider blocking the entire mail traffic originating
>> from the United Kingdom Top Level Domain just because you cannot resolve
>> some issues in a few domains, correct?
> I don't know why you are so sure about that.  There certainly are
> anti-spam RBLs that have blocked entire countries' IP ranges.
>
>> So if everyone followed their (or a similar) model, the internet would not
>> break.
> "The Internet" is not going to break.  What's going to happen is that
> the design of the Internet is going to be violated, and that violation
> will be visited as externalized costs on network operators.  Those are
> different statements.
>
> Best regards,
>
> A
>

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