[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPORTANT: Invitation for Poll from 29 August Meeting

Mon Sep 4 09:04:18 UTC 2017

I think this is a very "creative" way to define the word optional that 
goes against the very meaning of that word. I do not support this 
unnatural definition.

Volker

Am 03.09.2017 um 06:18 schrieb Greg Shatan:
> If this definition of optional made it all the way through to 
> consensus policy, I don't think we can simply reject it even if it 
> seems "unnatural."  Policy should be conceptually consistent with past 
> policy wherever possible.
>
> I don't think "optional to collect" is quite the right 
> characterization.  It's more "mandatory to collect if present, but not 
> a field that must be filled out in order to complete the process 
> [because the field will be empty if there is no answer (or the answer 
> will be "none")].
>
> I also don't agree with the statement that "the collection side of the 
> rds is whatever the registry does," for two reasons.  First, 
> registries collect information for their business purposes that are 
> not part of the RDS.  Second, the RDS is being collected for directory 
> purposes -- ultimately for the registrants and other users of the RDS, 
> so the RDS is not an outgrowth of registry collection purposes; it's 
> an effort that the registries undertake because the policy requires it 
> (which in turn is because it is highly useful for a variety of reasons).
>
> Greg
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 4:59 PM, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg 
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>> wrote:
>
>     I understand that but what information a registrar collects and
>     what information is required or may be asked for is the same list.
>     So I'm unclear as to the confusion.
>
>     --
>     John Bambenek
>
>     > On Sep 2, 2017, at 12:08, "benny at nordreg.se
>     <mailto:benny at nordreg.se>" <benny at nordreg.se
>     <mailto:benny at nordreg.se>> wrote:
>     >
>     > Well for your 2. Phrase we are still talking collection, not
>     displaying
>     >
>     > Sent from my iPhone
>     >
>     >> On 2 Sep 2017, at 18:10, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg
>     <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> I think the point is optional to collect, mandatory to display
>     if present.
>     >>
>     >> So there are two sets of requirements.
>     >>
>     >> 1- what information domain registrants give
>     >> 2- what information RDS displays
>     >>
>     >> --
>     >> John Bambenek
>     >>
>     >>> On Sep 2, 2017, at 10:11, Andrew Sullivan
>     <ajs at anvilwalrusden.com <mailto:ajs at anvilwalrusden.com>> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> Hi,
>     >>>
>     >>>> On Fri, Sep 01, 2017 at 04:50:41PM -0700, jonathan matkowsky
>     wrote:
>     >>>> It may be important to note from the April 27 advisory
>     >>>>
>     <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/registry-agreement-raa-rdds-2015-04-27-en
>     <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/registry-agreement-raa-rdds-2015-04-27-en>>
>     >>>> on that Consensus Policy that if data exists for a given
>     optional field,
>     >>>> the data MUST be shown. So I would suggest we define optional
>     in that way.
>     >>>
>     >>> That is a pretty unnatural definition of "optional", and
>     certainly not
>     >>> one that I expect will be understood by any implementer.  Such a
>     >>> redefinition away from the plain English meaning of the word
>     is just
>     >>> asking for bugs.  "Optional" means "you don't have to fill it
>     in", not
>     >>> "someone might not have collected this".
>     >>>
>     >>> A
>     >>>
>     >>> --
>     >>> Andrew Sullivan
>     >>> ajs at anvilwalrusden.com <mailto:ajs at anvilwalrusden.com>
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