[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners

Tue Sep 26 15:32:37 UTC 2017

Allison, this is a completely different animal, and you know it, but I 
am still glad you brought it up, since it allows me to point out the 
central difference:

LAW!

Basically, the disclosures in the companies house are mandated by laws 
that make these disclosures a requirement. Similarly, the European legal 
requirements to publish on any website used for commercial purposes an 
imprint containing much of the same data is mandated by law.

Whois data on the other hand is not required under any law.

Privacy laws have one big gate, which is legally mandated disclosures. 
You may not store private data unless it is needed to provide the 
service to the customer (billing data, etc), or unless there is a legal 
mandate to store it (data retention laws, for example). The same applies 
to any other form of processing and handling.

The basic rule for handling, processing, publishing or storing private 
details is very simple: It is forbidden unless it is expressly allowed.

Best,

Volker

PS: And no, consent does not fix this, since consent is also bound by 
very tight rules that do not fit current practices. But we have danced 
that dance enough on the list already.

Am 26.09.2017 um 17:25 schrieb allison nixon:
> I dont know if there have been regulatory rulings about WHOIS but 
> Companieshouse in the UK might be something comparable. Here's an 
> example company listing (I searched "lloyds bank"):
>
> https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00002065
> https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00002065/officers
>
> So you have a physical address, a list of people's names, their 
> physical addresses, and their entire filing history. Is this "leaked" 
> data as well? Or is this information necessary to comply with the 
> regulations of that country? Is Companieshouse going to shut down to 
> comply with GDPR?
>
> Is data really "leaked" when everyone knew it was going to be public 
> in the first place? Does the definition of "leak" now mean every 
> instance of publicly released data?
>
> Do these privacy laws outlaw the release of public data, and do they 
> have no allowance for the concept of publicly releasing data, when the 
> user is informed prior to them giving the data?
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Andrew Sullivan 
> <ajs at anvilwalrusden.com <mailto:ajs at anvilwalrusden.com>> wrote:
>
>     On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:59:15AM -0400, Dotzero wrote:
>     > predecessor regulations have been around for quite some time and
>     if the
>     > whois privacy issues we have been debating are truly a
>     significant problem
>     > to the extent that some represent them to be, I would expect
>     that there
>     > would have been at least some sort of precedents specific to whois.
>
>     I think that, regardless of any legal cases, the current whois leaks
>     way too much information.  ICANN has an enormous bureaucracy around
>     "whois accuracy" partly (but only partly) because ordinary people
>     don't want to pay extra to keep their home telephone numbers off from
>     being wide open on the Internet, so they lie about it. There is _no
>     reason_ that we are still using an ancient protocol that was designed
>     for a completely different network environment.
>
>     The IAB recommends, in RFC 6973, that protocols do something about
>     data minimization (see section 6.1).  The evidence we have is that
>     greater exposure of data provides a vector for attacks we haven't even
>     thought about.  Therefore, we should not expose data to everyone
>     unless we are sure that it is necessary (and some of this data _is_
>     necessary to expose to everyone); and we should be able to track who
>     got the data if we're exposing data that is not published to everyone.
>
>     I don't think any of this should be news, and I think it is really
>     strange that we seem still to be discussing whether it is something we
>     need to embrace.
>
>     Best regards,
>
>     A
>
>
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