[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners

[Greg Shatan]

​The "data controllers" here do not exist in a vacuum.  While registrars
and registries need to be free to make many types of decisions in their own
business judgment, that cannot be an absolute rule.  This is at odds with
the ICANN model, consensus policy, etc.  In this case, the data controllers
are part of a larger ecosystem, and the "needs" go beyond the individual
business needs of each data controller. (Indeed, the individual data
controller has its own database of information for its business needs.)

As I previously noted, we are going back to first principles -- which is
not necessarily a bad thing.  Why does ICANN (and by extension, the
Internet) need WHOIS/RDS?  That is the question.  Not "why does a
particular [registrar/registry] need WHOIS/RDS?"

Greg​


On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 5:12 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>
wrote:

> So when will you start advocating the collection and publication of WHOIS
> for internet users? Because they would be connecting to your network all
> the time...
>
> Volker
>
> Am 26.09.2017 um 20:48 schrieb John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:
>
> "As for privacy proxy solving the problem, it does not.  Over collection
> is not solved by providing a proxy in the third party disclosure
> mechanism.  It is still over-collection, disproportionate to needs."
>
> I fundamentally disagree because the purpose of ICANN is not the mere
> facilitation of domain from registry to registrant. The purpose is the
> security and stability of the internet and that means I have a need to
> verify who is connecting to my network and have a means of contacting them.
> That point has never been made, to my knowledge, to them.
>
> The point that removing that ability of me being able to contact domain
> owners does far MORE to REDUCE the privacy of the registrants than does
> publishing said information.  We talk often about verification out-of-band
> for sensitive communications. How can I do that without a phone number?
>
> I will loudly and vigorously argue that the path advocated will make the
> problem FAR worse and not better. Hopefully we don't get to the point where
> I have actual data to prove that.
>
> On 9/26/2017 1:34 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>
> As for privacy proxy solving the problem, it does not.  Over collection is
> not solved by providing a proxy in the third party disclosure mechanism.
> It is still over-collection, disproportionate to needs.
>
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