[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Reputation systems are not just nice to have (was Re: What we want redux)

[Greg Shatan]

ICANN's job description is not merely to make the DNS "work."  It is to
make it secure, stable and resilient, and to promote trust in the DNS and,
by extension, the Internet.

And, as Allison points out, barely "works" or "works" until it doesn't or
"works" for some, are not even valid definitions of "works."

Greg

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 3:14 PM allison nixon <elsakoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think the differentiator here is that getting a thumbs-up from a
> reputation system is necessary for DNS to work on many networks. If all the
> advertisers in the world hated my domain, it still functions perfectly. If
> one major reputation system doesn't like my domain, I'm in a world of pain.
>
> The similarity here is that both advertising and reputation systems feed
> of data from DNS to function better.
>
> However I very much disagree that DNS will work without online
> reputation/blocking systems. And my reasoning for this goes back to the
> original problem these systems are designed to address. Blocking systems
> don't just make my online experience better. They allow me to have an
> online experience in the first place. The Dyn DDOS attack last year was a
> pretty good example of Internet abuse breaking DNS. Wannacry broke much
> more than DNS for many people. Systems to protect computers have become
> just as vital to the functioning of computers as the fundamental protocol
> specs themselves.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org> wrote:
>
>> On 29/9/17 11:44 am, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
>> > Since we are making policy for a system that is used in support of
>> > domain name operation, we need to make that support work for all the
>> > parts of the operations in question.  One of the operations in
>> > question is various reputation systems, so I think it is not optional
>> > for us to support that functionality.
>>
>> I disagree, I think that a case can be made that reputation systems are
>> important, but they're not essential to the operation of the DNS.  You
>> might as easily say that because advertising revenue is also used "in
>> support of domain name operation", we need to make sure that the DNS
>> supports that.  There are lots of different working parts of the
>> Internet ecosystem that make our online experience better, including
>> voluntary reputation systems, but would the DNS still work without
>> them?  Yes.
>>
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