[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] CIRCL - Luxembourg CERT Statement on WHOIS

[John Bambenek]

Why not? Its not the most illegitimate reason someone here has dismissed the expertise of ACTUAL security and privacy professionals. 

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John Bambenek

> On Apr 13, 2018, at 17:34, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com> wrote:
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> But John, they referred to a Recital when they meant to refer to an Article.  Isn’t that sufficient grounds to dismiss their concerns entirely?
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>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 6:25 PM John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> wrote:
>> CIRCL as well as the many security and anti-abuse professionals on this list are individuals charged with ACTUALLY protecting human rights on the Internet. 
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>> The fact that our expertise in this very area is routinely discarded if not mocked is a large source of the consternation that continues in his group. 
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>> Its bad enough people on this list have taken to implying security professionals are criminals and human rights violators... we’re now going to imply the same of national computer emergency response teams?
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>> What does this say about the multistakeholder model when we keep returning to this discussion where people are not only ignoring stakeholders, but openly denigrating them?
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>> J
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>> John Bambenek
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>>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 15:20, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
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>>> This publication is dependent on, and only cites, the GDPR's recitals. While the recitals may inform the interpretation of the GDPR's articles, they are not legally binding. Only the GDPR's articles are binding instruments. I would also like to note that no human rights impact assessment appears to have been conducted in the preparation of this publication. If one had been, I am confident we would have seen that the protection of the privacy rights of a domain name registrant outweigh the claimed security risks.
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>>> Ayden Férdeline 
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>>>> On 12 April 2018 7:47 PM, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> wrote:
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>>>> A good read from a European entity on why open and free access to whois data is both essential AND legal under GDPR. And its coming from a state sponsored entity. 
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>>>> https://www.circl.lu/pub/tr-53/
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>>>> John Bambenek
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