[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards

Sun Mar 11 18:32:39 UTC 2018

I think the summary report (final report) dealt with it.  I believe you 
will find that report in our repository.

Stephanie

On 2018-03-11 14:30, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:
> For those not present, can you summarize or at least point to a 
> document we can read? Stating that something was discussed somewhere 
> gives me little to go on as to what information you’d like me to know.
>
> -- 
> John Bambenek
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> On Mar 11, 2018, at 13:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight 
> <michele at blacknight.com <mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:
>
>> This issue was discussed in depth during the PPSAI (proxy privacy) PDP.
>>
>> --
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>> Mr Michele Neylon
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>> *From: *gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org 
>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Volker 
>> Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
>> *Date: *Sunday 11 March 2018 at 11:24
>> *To: *sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>>
>> *Cc: *RDS WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org 
>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy 
>> Standards
>>
>> Please provide a workable, reasonable method of identifying the 
>> domain names used in commercial manner amongst the existing hundreds 
>> of million registered domains. Please also identify how this 
>> determination can be updated automatically once the use of a domain 
>> name changes.
>>
>> The fact is that commercial use is content. ICANN does not deal with 
>> content except for very small and specific areas. ICANN and 
>> registrars have no relationship with the content that is published 
>> under a domain name. We certainly have no control over specific uses.
>>
>> These details belong on the websites, as is provided in the laws in 
>> Europe and other jurisdictions. There is no need to duplicate this in 
>> whois.
>>
>> Volker
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 9. Mar 2018, at 07:49, sivasubramanian muthusamy
>>     <6.internet at gmail.com<mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Private persons (including private persons in a public career or
>>     a career of public exposure) need privacy. Why is this notion
>>     extended to protect online commercial entities of varying ethical
>>     standards? Does Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce have a
>>     right to privacy of its Registrant data?
>>
>>     Their customers don't look for contact information from RDS, but
>>     in the entity's commercial web site, but the information is not
>>     there. Many online entities operate from behind layers of veil
>>     that separate them from customers and enable them to carry on
>>     their commercial activity with minimal or non-existent
>>     accountability.
>>
>>     Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce sells millions of air
>>     tickets but does not seem to have a building somewhere, and/or
>>     does not have an employee with a
>>     name. Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce takes your money,
>>     takes your information without disclosing any of its own, and
>>     does not have a phone number or answer email messages (operates
>>     through call centers, answers email messages by templates) when
>>     you are stranded Midway with a ticket that doesn't work.
>>     Yourcasino takes your credit card number, yourpharmacy takes your
>>     money and medical data, yourholiday owns your passport, and all
>>     these entities don't have an email address, phone number or a
>>     building with a person.
>>
>>     Could we do away with this notion of (Registrant)data privacy
>>     where it concerns an online entity that carries out commercial
>>     monetary transactions online? That would require us to
>>     discriminate between private persons and e-commerce entities,
>>     which would be a complex process - agreed. Nevertheless, could we
>>     think about this?
>>
>>     Sivasubramanian M
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