[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards

Sun Mar 11 19:24:57 UTC 2018

I invite you to lay out the operational details of how to do this without
regulating content.

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Silver, Bradley <
Bradley.Silver at timewarner.com> wrote:

> Steve, I think there is a difference between ICANN regulating content
> (which it cannot do), and identifying whether domains are used for a
> commercial purpose.
>
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> On Mar 11, 2018, at 3:09 PM, Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com> wrote:
>
> Domain names and web sites are not the same.  I think you're suggesting
> that ICANN would need to know which domain names have web sites associated
> with them and then which of those accept payments in some form.  This is
> digging pretty deeply into content, which is precisely what ICANN does not
> and must not do.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 3:06 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <
> 6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2018 1:01 PM, "John Bambenek" <jcb at bambenekconsulting.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Simple. You ask them. “Is this domain owned by an individual for
>> non-commercial purposes?”
>>
>>
>> Another way is make a distinction is to separate all websites that have a
>> payment gateway / that accept payments in some form.
>>
>>
>> If we find domains engaged in commerce registered as personal and
>> non-commercial, then we send a complaint. Sure, we gotta define commercial
>> but surely that is not hard. We use whatever taxing authority for the
>> jurisdiction says.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> John Bambenek
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2018, at 10:24, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Please provide a workable, reasonable method of identifying the domain
>> names used in commercial manner amongst the existing hundreds of million
>> registered domains. Please also identify how this determination can be
>> updated automatically once the use of a domain name changes.
>>
>> The fact is that commercial use is content. ICANN does not deal with
>> content except for very small and specific areas. ICANN and registrars have
>> no relationship with the content that is published under a domain name. We
>> certainly have no control over specific uses.
>>
>> These details belong on the websites, as is provided in the laws in
>> Europe and other jurisdictions. There is no need to duplicate this in whois.
>>
>> Volker
>>
>>
>> On 9. Mar 2018, at 07:49, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Private persons (including private persons in a public career or a career
>> of public exposure) need privacy. Why is this notion extended to protect
>> online commercial entities of varying ethical standards? Does
>> Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce have a right to privacy of its
>> Registrant data?
>>
>> Their customers don't look for contact information from RDS, but in the
>> entity's commercial web site, but the information is not there. Many online
>> entities operate from behind layers of veil that separate them from
>> customers and enable them to carry on their commercial activity with
>> minimal or non-existent accountability.
>>
>> Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce sells millions of air tickets but
>> does not seem to have a building somewhere, and/or does not have an
>> employee with a name. Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce takes your
>> money, takes your information without disclosing any of its own, and does
>> not have a phone number or answer email messages (operates through call
>> centers, answers email messages by templates) when you are stranded
>> Midway with a ticket that doesn't work. Yourcasino takes your credit card
>> number, yourpharmacy takes your money and medical data, yourholiday owns
>> your passport, and all these entities don't have an email address, phone
>> number or a building with a person.
>>
>> Could we do away with this notion of (Registrant)data privacy where it
>> concerns an online entity that carries out commercial monetary transactions
>> online? That would require us to discriminate between private persons and
>> e-commerce entities, which would be a complex process - agreed.
>> Nevertheless, could we think about this?
>>
>> Sivasubramanian M
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