[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards

Sun Mar 11 19:32:52 UTC 2018

Nominet (U.K.) figured out how to discriminate between commercial and noncommercial.  For years, .U.K. policy has been that if a domain is used for commercial purposes the registrant does not have the right to opt-out of having contact data published in WHOIS.  Seems to have worked pretty well.

https://registrars.nominet.uk/namespace/uk/registration-and-domain-management/query-tools/whois/opt-out

Just saying there’s a realistic, real-world implementation of that kind of policy.

--Greg

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+1

Stephanie
On 2018-03-11 15:08, Steve Crocker wrote:
Domain names and web sites are not the same.  I think you're suggesting that ICANN would need to know which domain names have web sites associated with them and then which of those accept payments in some form.  This is digging pretty deeply into content, which is precisely what ICANN does not and must not do.

Steve

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 3:06 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet at gmail.com<mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:

On Mar 11, 2018 1:01 PM, "John Bambenek" <jcb at bambenekconsulting.com<mailto:jcb at bambenekconsulting.com>> wrote:
Simple. You ask them. “Is this domain owned by an individual for non-commercial purposes?”

Another way is make a distinction is to separate all websites that have a payment gateway / that accept payments in some form.

If we find domains engaged in commerce registered as personal and non-commercial, then we send a complaint. Sure, we gotta define commercial but surely that is not hard. We use whatever taxing authority for the jurisdiction says.

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On Mar 11, 2018, at 10:24, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
Please provide a workable, reasonable method of identifying the domain names used in commercial manner amongst the existing hundreds of million registered domains. Please also identify how this determination can be updated automatically once the use of a domain name changes.

The fact is that commercial use is content. ICANN does not deal with content except for very small and specific areas. ICANN and registrars have no relationship with the content that is published under a domain name. We certainly have no control over specific uses.

These details belong on the websites, as is provided in the laws in Europe and other jurisdictions. There is no need to duplicate this in whois.

Volker

On 9. Mar 2018, at 07:49, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet at gmail.com<mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:

Private persons (including private persons in a public career or a career of public exposure) need privacy. Why is this notion extended to protect online commercial entities of varying ethical standards? Does Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce have a right to privacy of its Registrant data?

Their customers don't look for contact information from RDS, but in the entity's commercial web site, but the information is not there. Many online entities operate from behind layers of veil that separate them from customers and enable them to carry on their commercial activity with minimal or non-existent accountability.

Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce sells millions of air tickets but does not seem to have a building somewhere, and/or does not have an employee with a name. Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce takes your money, takes your information without disclosing any of its own, and does not have a phone number or answer email messages (operates through call centers, answers email messages by templates) when you are stranded Midway with a ticket that doesn't work. Yourcasino takes your credit card number, yourpharmacy takes your money and medical data, yourholiday owns your passport, and all these entities don't have an email address, phone number or a building with a person.

Could we do away with this notion of (Registrant)data privacy where it concerns an online entity that carries out commercial monetary transactions online? That would require us to discriminate between private persons and e-commerce entities, which would be a complex process - agreed. Nevertheless, could we think about this?

Sivasubramanian M
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