[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Sun Mar 11 19:23:40 UTC 2018
+1
Stephanie
On 2018-03-11 15:08, Steve Crocker wrote:
> Domain names and web sites are not the same. I think you're
> suggesting that ICANN would need to know which domain names have web
> sites associated with them and then which of those accept payments in
> some form. This is digging pretty deeply into content, which is
> precisely what ICANN does not and must not do.
>
> Steve
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 3:06 PM, sivasubramanian muthusamy
> <6.internet at gmail.com <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2018 1:01 PM, "John Bambenek"
> <jcb at bambenekconsulting.com <mailto:jcb at bambenekconsulting.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Simple. You ask them. “Is this domain owned by an individual
> for non-commercial purposes?”
>
>
> Another way is make a distinction is to separate all websites that
> have a payment gateway / that accept payments in some form.
>
>
> If we find domains engaged in commerce registered as personal
> and non-commercial, then we send a complaint. Sure, we gotta
> define commercial but surely that is not hard. We use whatever
> taxing authority for the jurisdiction says.
>
>
>
> --
> John Bambenek
>
> On Mar 11, 2018, at 10:24, Volker Greimann
> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
> wrote:
>
>> Please provide a workable, reasonable method of identifying
>> the domain names used in commercial manner amongst the
>> existing hundreds of million registered domains. Please also
>> identify how this determination can be updated automatically
>> once the use of a domain name changes.
>>
>> The fact is that commercial use is content. ICANN does not
>> deal with content except for very small and specific areas.
>> ICANN and registrars have no relationship with the content
>> that is published under a domain name. We certainly have no
>> control over specific uses.
>>
>> These details belong on the websites, as is provided in the
>> laws in Europe and other jurisdictions. There is no need to
>> duplicate this in whois.
>>
>> Volker
>>
>>
>>> On 9. Mar 2018, at 07:49, sivasubramanian muthusamy
>>> <6.internet at gmail.com <mailto:6.internet at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Private persons (including private persons in a public
>>> career or a career of public exposure) need privacy. Why is
>>> this notion extended to protect online commercial entities
>>> of varying ethical standards? Does
>>> Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce have a right to
>>> privacy of its Registrant data?
>>>
>>> Their customers don't look for contact information from RDS,
>>> but in the entity's commercial web site, but the information
>>> is not there. Many online entities operate from behind
>>> layers of veil that separate them from customers and enable
>>> them to carry on their commercial activity with minimal or
>>> non-existent accountability.
>>>
>>> Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce sells millions of air
>>> tickets but does not seem to have a building somewhere,
>>> and/or does not have an employee with a name.
>>> Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce takes your money,
>>> takes your information without disclosing any of its own,
>>> and does not have a phone number or answer email messages
>>> (operates through call centers, answers email messages by
>>> templates) when you are stranded Midway with a ticket that
>>> doesn't work. Yourcasino takes your credit card number,
>>> yourpharmacy takes your money and medical data, yourholiday
>>> owns your passport, and all these entities don't have an
>>> email address, phone number or a building with a person.
>>>
>>> Could we do away with this notion of (Registrant)data
>>> privacy where it concerns an online entity that carries out
>>> commercial monetary transactions online? That would require
>>> us to discriminate between private persons and e-commerce
>>> entities, which would be a complex process - agreed.
>>> Nevertheless, could we think about this?
>>>
>>> Sivasubramanian M
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