[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards

Sun Mar 11 19:39:49 UTC 2018

See also

http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/whois/registrant-identification-summary-23may13-en.pdf

which attempted to classify domain name registrations based on analysis of (among other things) registrant type and potentially commercial use. Data is now old but methodology and challenges encountered still relevant.

You may also wish to look at the EWG report section on data elements, which addressed both registrant type (recommended by the EWG) and commercial use (not recommended, see rationale given in report). 

This PDP WG discussed the former last summer, without reaching agreement - refer to September 5&12, 2017 call pages for recordings and transcripts.

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> On Mar 11, 2018, at 2:39 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
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> Here’s the final report:
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> https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/raa/ppsai-final-07dec15-en.pdf
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> The relevant section is from page 39 onwards and again from page 55
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> From: John Bambenek <jcb at bambenekconsulting.com>
> Date: Sunday 11 March 2018 at 14:31
> To: Michele Neylon <michele at blacknight.com>
> Cc: Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet at gmail.com>, RDS WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards
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> For those not present, can you summarize or at least point to a document we can read? Stating that something was discussed somewhere gives me little to go on as to what information you’d like me to know. 
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> John Bambenek
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> On Mar 11, 2018, at 13:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
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> This issue was discussed in depth during the PPSAI (proxy privacy) PDP.
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> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>
> Date: Sunday 11 March 2018 at 11:24
> To: sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet at gmail.com>
> Cc: RDS WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards
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> Please provide a workable, reasonable method of identifying the domain names used in commercial manner amongst the existing hundreds of million registered domains. Please also identify how this determination can be updated automatically once the use of a domain name changes.
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> The fact is that commercial use is content. ICANN does not deal with content except for very small and specific areas. ICANN and registrars have no relationship with the content that is published under a domain name. We certainly have no control over specific uses. 
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> These details belong on the websites, as is provided in the laws in Europe and other jurisdictions. There is no need to duplicate this in whois.
>  
> Volker
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> On 9. Mar 2018, at 07:49, sivasubramanian muthusamy <6.internet at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Private persons (including private persons in a public career or a career of public exposure) need privacy. Why is this notion extended to protect online commercial entities of varying ethical standards? Does Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce have a right to privacy of its Registrant data? 
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> Their customers don't look for contact information from RDS, but in the entity's commercial web site, but the information is not there. Many online entities operate from behind layers of veil that separate them from customers and enable them to carry on their commercial activity with minimal or non-existent accountability. 
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> Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce sells millions of air tickets but does not seem to have a building somewhere, and/or does not have an employee with a name. Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce takes your money, takes your information without disclosing any of its own, and does not have a phone number or answer email messages (operates through call centers, answers email messages by templates) when you are stranded Midway with a ticket that doesn't work. Yourcasino takes your credit card number, yourpharmacy takes your money and medical data, yourholiday owns your passport, and all these entities don't have an email address, phone number or a building with a person.  
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> Could we do away with this notion of (Registrant)data privacy where it concerns an online entity that carries out commercial monetary transactions online? That would require us to discriminate between private persons and e-commerce entities, which would be a complex process - agreed. Nevertheless, could we think about this?
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> Sivasubramanian M
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