[Gnso-rpm-sunrise] Sunrise Sub Team Google Doc
Mary Wong
mary.wong at icann.org
Fri Jun 2 20:02:39 UTC 2017
Dear all,
Following from Lori’s request on the Sub Team call today for members to review and add suggestions to the Google Doc last used by the Sub Team (i.e. as of 19 May 2017), here for your convenience is the link to the document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9dBE4/edit?usp=sharing.
Staff has gone ahead, as requested, and amended the heading in Column 3 to now read “Proposed Footnotes or Alternative Wording”. The default editing format should also now be in Suggestion mode.
Thanks and cheers
Mary
From: <gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
Date: Friday, June 2, 2017 at 13:59
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Subject: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] Mp3, Attendance, AC recording & AC Chat Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Sunrise Registrations
Dear All,
Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email. The MP3, Adobe Connect recording and Adobe Connect chat below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Sunrise Registrations on Friday, 02 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC. Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/hjHwAw
MP3: https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-02jun17-en.mp3
Adobe Connect recording: https://participate.icann.org/p5uwrklj7io/<https://participate.icann.org/p5uwrklj7io/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=1d0b66cd3929354d21560731d101913a0a7092f23edd328723cd77441b3653ca>
The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar
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Thank you.
Kind regards,
Terri
Adobe Connect chat transcript for 02 June 2017:
Terri Agnew:Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Sub Team for Sunrise Registrations call on Friday, 2 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC for 60-minute duration.
Terri Agnew:agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_hjHwAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg-g&s=xtlECPMGwYE7JE6VVl1xPvOLSDAV_6TnOYWAMdwpEgg&e=
Susan Payne:I'm here
Kathy::-( sorry to hear
Kathy:definitely remember people being sick in Hyderabad!
Lori Schulman:I thought I would die in Hyderbad
Lori Schulman:with no money ;O
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):Hello , both 4g and cell network have weak signals , so I will drop from time to time
Susan Payne:yay
Kathy:Congrats!!
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Congrats to INTA, Lori
Mary Wong:19 May
Philip Corwin:Hello all, apologies for being a few minutes late.
Susan Payne:I think the trouble was that any INTA attendees were also travelling on 19th
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):and in my case it is a blizzard in the second day of summer and a hurricane warning :)
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):could we have a poll (to measure the temperature of the subgroup ) with yes, no , other and text field . ?
Mary Wong:Staff would like to register our surprise that we have been perceived to have put pressure on anyone or given orders to anyone.
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):if the input of the teteam is not taken into account , then what is the reason to call it a result of the teamwork ?
Mary Wong:27 April
Jeff Neuman:what is the most up to date link?
Amr Elsadr:@Jeff: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9dBE4_edit&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg-g&s=vGKhF6eUklBrKRm0ayPu5GX6YOnEvCaywjjBZwyzpB0&e=
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):please post the in URL question sheet into the chat
Mary Wong:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nm91bUcbX-PhA1imkKdOujWWRXsbyORq5a78Aqc-ciM/edit?usp=sharing
Jeff Neuman:Why are there 2 different docs?
Jeff Neuman:I am confused
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):the URLS are differ one from other
Jeff Neuman:And they both have different content
Mary Wong:Oops, hang on, sorry - Amr's link is the correct one to the latest. The other is an earlier document..
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):please add ffield Verson number and date
Philip Corwin:Later doc has 14 questions, apparently consolidated from 22 earlier
Jeff Neuman:ok....and that differs from the one that was in the agenda for this week as well
Amr Elsadr:Apologies for the confusion. The link I posted is the latest of three drafts. Links to all previous work is provided in an email I sent titled "Summary of Progress on the Sunrise Registration Sub Team" on May 24.
Lori Schulman:The latest is Kathy's new doc, is that correct?
Amr Elsadr:Kathy's doc (edited by Kristine) is the one posted for discussion on today's meeting wiki page here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_hjHwAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg-g&s=xtlECPMGwYE7JE6VVl1xPvOLSDAV_6TnOYWAMdwpEgg&e= . This hasn't been discussed by the Sub Team yet.
Lori Schulman:I would like Kathy's document kept separate from the original chart
Jeff Neuman:In the new chart, can we add a column again to the original charter question?
Susan Payne:so by current doc then the 19 May doc
Amr Elsadr:The most recent document that had been subject to Sub Team edits and discussion prior to the Kathy/Kristine document is the one posted here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9dBE4_edit&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg-g&s=vGKhF6eUklBrKRm0ayPu5GX6YOnEvCaywjjBZwyzpB0&e=
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):I added same notes to different versions and they are still disappearing ... weird
Mary Wong:Note that what we discussed on the 19 May call is essentially the 12 May document - I don't believe any substantive changes were made to the proposed questions, there were only some additional comments made by a few Sub Team members.
Amr Elsadr:@Maxim: Your comments were moved to the last column in the table, to be able to present them in the document in the AC room.
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):I do not agree that we present undone work for sake of timeline.
Amr Elsadr:@Maxim: Could you please check the "Sub Team Suggestions on Data Collection" column in this table: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9dBE4_edit&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg-g&s=vGKhF6eUklBrKRm0ayPu5GX6YOnEvCaywjjBZwyzpB0&e= . Your comments are tagged with your name.
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):I unfortunately in the middle of nowhnowhere with 2 cell phones , can not do it now
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID ):I bring apologies. need to drop the all due to my train is coming.
Amr Elsadr:Please do follow up with me and Mary if you find any of your comments have been dropped.
Roger Carney:Can you repeat?
Jeff Neuman:I am unclear on what we are voting on
Philip Corwin:Noting above that Mary has stated that the May 12 & 19 docs are substantively identical
Jeff Neuman:so, this one? https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9dBE4_edit&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6ivZl78AGS4vOjDURexNYiALVhRod2llQXc7P0ESg-g&s=vGKhF6eUklBrKRm0ayPu5GX6YOnEvCaywjjBZwyzpB0&e=
Terri Agnew:Maxim has dropped and unable to rejoin at this time
Amr Elsadr:@Jeff: Correct.
Mary Wong:@Jeff, yes
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Kathy, were were told that column 3 wsa going forward on the call? In an email? Because I missed it...
Mary Wong:At no time did staff declare that Column 3 of the latest Google Doc was the final version and would be sent to the WG. Our understanding was that further work (e.g. footnotes, re-ordering, some tweaking) might be done following more Sub Team discussion.
Susan Payne:there is work underway currently on staff accountability. If staff have been accused of overstepping the bounds it is your duty to identify who you are accusing and give us the details
Kathy:What is the current document?
Kathy:Wha tis the master set of questions.
Kathy:Column 1 or Column 3
Jeff Neuman:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w1eAYmIBOZbhHRpN4mCVKgp97ycoadlxvE6Joa9dBE4/edit
Jeff Neuman:SOme of the reworded questions seems to have a bias in them. For example, in number two, using the word "scheme" implies a negative connotation. It may be that some find the premium name issue to be negative, but that term is not objective
Mary Wong:@Phi, that is correct - e.g. where there are identified gaps that should be filled.
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:@ Jeff, I think the point is that those proposed final questions were just that "proposed"...we can still tweak them.
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:+1 Susan
Amr Elsadr:Would it be helpful to retitle the 3rd column to "Proposed footnotes to Charter Questions"?
Kiran Malancharuvil:+1 Lori... I would prefer to see everything in one document with notes and explanations
Susan Payne:NO we are not knocking out
Phil Marano:Can we please keep what we had before the INTA Annual Meeting, and characterize any subsequent changes made as proposals for sub-team consideration, all in one document?
Kiran Malancharuvil:+1 Phil.
Mary Wong:@Phil M, I think that's what Lori is proposing - with the Google Doc.
Kathy:How?
Roger Carney:+1 Phil
Kiran Malancharuvil:"How?" - Lori just explained how.
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:What I like about the doc Kathy created is the cross-referencing. I support referencing the "general" questions. In the main "sunrise-related question" where appropriate. I don't think we need to pull them up because they're there, but I think we should cross-reference to ensure inclusin.
Kathy:+1 Jeff
Mary Wong:@Jeff, note that the rewording, by and large, was because several Charter questions were batched together.
Kathy:New column?
Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: In the Comments/Discussion column? Would that work?
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:But Jeff, one of the outcomes was a workplan...batching relates to the recommended order for discussion
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:not *necessarily* rewording
Jeff Neuman:You can batch questions without combining them.
Susan Payne:but we werent dropping the charter q original language we were providing notes/guidance/additional thoughts
Jeff Neuman:So, in other words, you can provide guidance that says that Questions 1, 3, 5, 7, and 9 are all related so we would recommend that they be answered first. But that does not mean we need to combine 1, 3, 5, and 7 into a reworded question
Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:For staff: Can we possibly make sure that the Google doc is in Suggestion mode? That way it pulls out all author suggestions as a comment rather than running all edits together.
Jeff Neuman:@Kristine - I agree
Philip Corwin:Yes, they are a compilation of multiple community inputs, not a directive from Council
Susan Payne:@Jeff precisely, that was my understanding of what we are doing here
Mary Wong:Note that there has been an outstanding Action Item for the Sub Team for the past few weeks - to develop proposed definitions for "premium names", "premium pricing" and "reserved names".
Kiran Malancharuvil:+1 Lori
Susan Payne:+ 1 Lori
Kiran Malancharuvil:Free expression and speech IS a trademark issue and a registry issue
Kiran Malancharuvil:To suggest that trademark owners and consumer advocates aren't considering free expression is a mischaracterization at best.
Susan Payne:thank you Lori
Kathy:Interesting Geo questions too...
Jeff Neuman:thanks. Lets see if we can make progress online in between meetings
Kiran Malancharuvil:Thanks Lori.
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