[Gnso-rpm-sunrise] [Discussion Thread] Sunrise Q6
Kathy Kleiman
kathy at kathykleiman.com
Mon May 20 17:34:42 UTC 2019
Tx Claudio for posting. I support Greg's suggestion of getting input
from the subteam on this proposal.
This is a policy recommendation -- and would be going out to the
Community for public comment as such in our Initial Report. Claudio, as
you have shared below, key questions have been raised -- including
definitional and structural ones. They have not been answered or
addressed. Unfortunately, I don't think this proposal is ready for
primetime, and would benefit from the process we have set out for review
of individual proposals (and incorporation of some of the feedback
already received).
Best, Kathy (in my personal capacity)
On 5/17/2019 3:34 PM, claudio di gangi wrote:
> Thanks very much for this Ariel.
>
> David, Greg,
>
> In reading #2 below, I’m a little confused on status.
>
> After presenting the proposal, I started making changes to address the
> input received on that call. I wasn’t on the chat that day, but I was
> under the impression that a number of sub team members supported the
> proposal in principle, but another segment (Kathy, Kristine, Maxim,
> and Zak) expressed questions or concerns, some related to policy and
> some related to implementation. This is the reason why I thought it
> might be worth the effort to make modifications.
>
> However, in the process of consulting with stakeholders, I received
> several recommendations that it would be helpful to post the proposal
> for public comment in the initial report - not as a Policy
> Recommendation, but to help flesh out the issues in greater detail and
> to obtain more perspective on community views (since a similar
> recommendation was submitted to us from another PDP).
>
> Is it appropriately under the sub team’s remit to consider proceeding
> in this direction, i.e. to consider recommending to the plenary that
> we post the proposal for public comment?
>
> Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks!
>
> Best regards,
> Claudio
>
> On Friday, May 17, 2019, Ariel Liang <ariel.liang at icann.org
> <mailto:ariel.liang at icann.org>> wrote:
>
> Dear Sunrise Sub Team members,
>
> On behalf of the Sub Team Co-Chairs, staff are sending this
> message following up on the discussion about Proposal #9 in the
> context of the agreed Sunrise Charter Question 6. Please note that
> Proposal #9 is closely related to the agreed Sunrise Charter
> Question 1. Its relevant aspect has been picked up in this
> discussion thread due to connection with the SubPro PDP Working
> Group’s referral.
>
> The Sub Team Co-Chairs propose to include the following in the Sub
> Team’s report to the full Working Group at the end of its
> deliberation:
>
> 1. The SubPro PDP Working Group referred a question about
> “dot-span trademarks” to the RPM Working Group with a request
> that it be considered as part of the RPM work.
> 2. Proposal #9 is similar to the SubPro referral, but it did not
> garner the “wide support” necessary to become a Sub Team
> preliminary recommendation. This has been noted in the
> Discussion Thread Q1, which is now closed.
> 3. The Sub Team Co-Chairs suggest that the RPM & Sunrise Sub Team
> chairs respond to the SubPro referral, thanking them for the
> referral and confirming that the issue was discussed.
>
> The discussion thread for Q6 will remain open pending additional
> comments. In the absence of further discussions, it will be closed
> shortly per Sub Team Co-Chairs’ determination.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mary, Julie, Ariel
>
> *From: *claudio di gangi <ipcdigangi at gmail.com
> <mailto:ipcdigangi at gmail.com>>
> *Date: *Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 8:04 PM
> *To: *"McAuley, David" <dmcauley at verisign.com
> <mailto:dmcauley at verisign.com>>
> *Cc: *Ariel Liang <ariel.liang at icann.org
> <mailto:ariel.liang at icann.org>>, "gnso-rpm-sunrise at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise at icann.org>" <gnso-rpm-sunrise at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise at icann.org>>
> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] [Discussion Thread] Sunrise Q6
>
> Dear David, Greg, all,
>
> In light of today's discussion during our sub team meeting, I
> would like to request that we: (1) withhold further consideration
> of the Spanning the Dot Sunrise topic for the time being, (2) post
> the issue for Public Comment in the initial report, and (3) then
> consider the input received at the plenary level.
>
> More specifically, we can include a set of questions designed to
> solicit public feedback on the policy and operational issues that
> may arise with the implementation of a Spanning the Dot Sunrise. I
> am happy to assist in developing those questions with other
> interested sub team members, which we can base on the transcript
> from the Sub team meeting when we discussed this topic last month.
>
> On a personal level, I do not feel comfortable making material
> changes that will necessarily impact the proposal that we just
> received on this same topic from the Sub Pro WG.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Claudio
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 9:40 PM claudio di gangi
> <ipcdigangi at gmail.com <mailto:ipcdigangi at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> David, all,
>
> Thank you for kindly sending this around.
>
> On the Spanning the Dot proposal, after our Subteam discussion
> last month and some further consultation, my recommendation is
> to include the proposal for public comment, as part of the
> Phase I initial report. In other words, not as a formal WG
> Recommendation, but as a proposal that the Working Group will
> consider based on the public comments received.
>
> If you and Greg would like to add this topic as a discussion
> item on our agenda for Wednesday, or I can mention under AOB,
> I am happy to discuss in more detail during our next team
> meeting on Wednesday. Thanks!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Claudio
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 8:59 AM McAuley, David via
> Gnso-rpm-sunrise <gnso-rpm-sunrise at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise at icann.org>> wrote:
>
> Hello fellow Sunrise sub team members and staff,
>
> I am submitting this entry to the thread on *Sunrise
> Agreed Charter Question 6* in my *personal capacity*, not
> in my sub-team co-chair capacity.
>
> Here are the Charter Question 6 questions, as per Ariel’s
> thread email below:
>
> *//*
>
> */Q6(a) What are Sunrise Dispute Resolution Policies
> (SDRPs), and are any changes needed?/*
>
> */Q6(b) Are SDRPs serving the purpose(s) for which they
> were created? /*
>
> */Q6(c) If not, should they be better publicized, better
> used or changed? /*
>
> My _suggested answers_:
>
> I suggest we answer the questions in this manner, and
> invite comment here on the thread:
>
> **
>
> *Suggested answer to Q6(a): *
>
> As to the ‘_what are SDRPs_’ part of the question, I don’t
> see any usefulness in us trying to answer other than by
> referring to existing documents – e.g. to the Applicant
> Guidebook, Module 5, Trademark Clearinghouse
> [newgtlds.icann.org]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__newgtlds.icann.org_en_applicants_agb_trademark-2Dclearinghouse-2D04jun12-2Den.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=dRzB-YypMqj9AZjlP_sZHORJtVF4M6AI0vip1lbQy10&m=I0zLyhOjEMBO6guajQkKd4h4bbZA-sYR1_oXIWXkUUI&s=qsndaGGOZVwypH_jSYo45tfTwMFGsx5wjfgWEuIIo1s&e=>,
> Section 6 (Mandatory Rights Protections Mechanisms), with
> SDRP as part of the Sunrise registration process (at 6.2.2
> and at 6.2.4).
>
> As to the ‘_are any changes needed_’ part of the question,
> it depends on how we wrap this issue up after ourdiscussions.
>
> We have several proposals:
>
> First, we have proposal #2
> <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102146375/Proposal%232.pdf?api=v2>from
> George Kirikos which says, in part:
>
> //
>
> /If the sunrise procedures are retained (a separate
> proposal calls for its elimination), then all details of
> any trademark relied upon to secure a sunrise registration
> shall be made public, in order to permit utilization of
> the SDRP. Details should include all information provided
> to the TMCH (e.g. country, registration number, TM
> registration date, TM owner, goods and services, etc.).
> Without limiting an implementation review team, such
> publication might be implemented by making it public at
> the source (the TMCH) or via the WHOIS (which had been
> done in the past)./
>
> Second, we have a related ‘operational fix’ proposal
> related to George’s from Kathy Kleiman in her email
> <https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-sunrise/2019-May/000288.html>of
> May 8^th . It says, in part:
>
> //
>
> /Accordingly, a surgical change seems warranted. Allow a
> party associated with a business, organization or
> individual having the same or similar name to the domain
> name registered during the Sunrise Period [or an
> association or organization representing its members or
> affiliates which include that business, organization or
> individual with the same or similar name], or someone with
> strong proof of inaccuracy during Sunrise registrations,
> to bring to the Trademark Clearinghouse a request for data
> of a single, specific mark./
>
> //
>
> Third, we have proposal #4
> <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102146375/Proposal%234.pdf?api=v2>from
> George which says, in part:
>
> /If the sunrise procedure is retained (a separate proposal
> calls for its elimination), then the Uniregistry
> "Substantive Ineligibility" clause be included as a
> minimum standard for SDRP disputes, as per clause 2.1.2.
> of:
> //https://www.uniregistry.link/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/SEPRP.pdf
> [uniregistry.link]/
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.uniregistry.link_wp-2Dcontent_uploads_2015_07_SEPRP.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=dRzB-YypMqj9AZjlP_sZHORJtVF4M6AI0vip1lbQy10&m=I0zLyhOjEMBO6guajQkKd4h4bbZA-sYR1_oXIWXkUUI&s=fz5yNHH0aMpcqqg4LUYRn-VLMrfuYar4Mt_xSxDbmaw&e=>
>
> //
>
> And fourth, we have a proposal that Jeff Neuman forwarded
> to the RPM group in his role as a co-chair of the
> Subsequent Procedures for New gTLDs PDP. This proposal is
> an attachment to this email
> <https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-gtld-subsequent-procedures-initial-03jul18/2018q3/000058.html>comment
> from Google Registry that the Sub-Pro leadership has
> turned over to the RPM PDP. In part it says:
>
> */Suggestion to adjust the terms of the Sunrise Dispute
> Resolution Mechanism: /*/We believe that the rights
> protection mechanisms designed for the 2012 round have
> generally struck the right balance. However, we
> encountered minor issues related to the inability to
> consider “dot-span trademarks” in applying the Sunrise
> Dispute Resolution Process (SDRP).^3 We would recommend
> that ICANN adjust the terms of the SDRP such that a
> registry could treat dot-span trademarks as exact-matches
> when making SDPR determinations. The Working Group could
> also explore extending Sunrise and Claims services to
> domains that are exact matches of dot-span trademarks
> registered in the Trademark Clearinghouse.^4 This
> recommendation would not otherwise affect the requirement
> that Sunrise participants demonstrate use of the
> underlying trademark in commerce, nor the ability of
> registries to reserve names or designate them as premium. /
>
> /3. We use the term dot-span trademarks to refer to
> instances where the entire domain name, including the TLD,
> is an exact match of a registered trademark. /
>
> /4. For instance, for a TMCH entry for WALMART the brand
> owner would be permitted to register both walm.art and
> walmart.art during the Sunrise period for .art, and would
> receive claims notifications for either registration./
>
> My opinion is that we have not heard the ‘wide support’
> needed for sending these along as sub-team
> recommendations. Does anything think otherwise – or want
> to endeavor again on list to establish wide support? Is
> there promise for such support in the ‘operational fix’?
>
> Is there a desire to revisit the ‘span the dot’ issue that
> Claudio raised in light of the Google Registry comment?
>
> **
>
> *Suggested answer to Q6(b): *
>
> Despite apparent low usage rates, it seems to me that our
> discussions have shown that SDRPs are generally serving
> the purpose(s) for which they were created.
>
> **
>
> *Suggested answer to Q6(c): *
>
> So far, in my opinion, an answer would not be required
> based on the suggestion about Q6(b).
>
> For now, best regards,
>
> David
>
> David McAuley
>
> Sr International Policy & Business Development Manager
>
> Verisign Inc.
>
> 703-948-4154
>
> *From:* Gnso-rpm-sunrise
> <gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise-bounces at icann.org>> *On Behalf Of
> *Ariel Liang
> *Sent:* Friday, May 03, 2019 10:49 AM
> *To:* gnso-rpm-sunrise at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rpm-sunrise at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [Gnso-rpm-sunrise] [Discussion
> Thread] Sunrise Q6
>
> Dear Sunrise Sub Team members,
>
> As announced, this thread is being opened for final
> mailing list discussions related to *Sunrise Agreed
> Charter Question**6*, including *Proposals #2 and #4*.
>
> We ask that you review the *Summary Table* *(as of 16
> April 2019) *and provide any additional input you may have
> to the “*tentative answers & preliminary recommendations*”
> in relation to the Agreed Charter Question, and consider
> *draft answers *to the following questions regarding the
> individual proposal:
>
> a. Should the Sub Team recommend that the full WG consider
> including this Individual Proposal in the Initial Report
> for the solicitation of public comment?
>
> b. In light of the Individual Proposal, are any
> modifications to the current “tentative answers &
> preliminary recommendations” needed?
>
> c. Should any additional Sub Team recommendations be made
> in relation to the agreed Sunrise charter question?
>
> Unless the Sub Team Co-Chairs determine otherwise, this
> discussion thread will remain open until *23:59 UTC on 15
> May 2019*. Comments/input provided past the closing date
> or outside this discussion thread will not be taken into
> account when compiling the final Sub Team member input.
>
> *Summary Table (Pages 29-32)*
>
> The draft answers, preliminary recommendations, and links
> to the relevant individual proposals are in the latest
> Summary Table (as of 16 April 2019):
>
> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138618/%5BSunrise%20Summary%20Table%5D%20%2816%20April%202019%29.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1555515624235&api=v2
> <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102138618/%5BSunrise%20Summary%20Table%5D%20%2816%20April%202019%29.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1555515624235&api=v2>.
>
>
> *Agreed Sunrise Charter Question 6(Pages 29-30)*
>
> The Sub Team justdiscussed Agreed Charter Question 6on 02
> May 2019, hence the proposed answers are “TBD”. Based on
> the Sub Team’s discussions, the transcript and notes,
> staff will provide update.
>
> /
> Q6(a) What are Sunrise Dispute Resolution Policies
> (SDRPs), and are any changes needed? /
>
> *_Proposed Answer_: *TBD
>
> /
> Q6(b) Are SDRPs serving the purpose(s) for which they were
> created? /
>
> *_Proposed Answer_: *TBD
>
> //
>
> /Q6(c) If not, should they be better publicized, better
> used or changed? /
> *_Proposed Answer_: *TBD
>
> *Individual Proposals*
>
> The Sub Team just discussed the Proposals #2 and #4 on 02
> May 2019, hence there is no draft answer currently on the
> Summary Table (as of 16 April 2019). Based on the Sub
> Team’sdiscussions, the transcript and notes, staff will
> provide.
>
> Link to the individual proposal is included below.
>
> *Proposal #2*:
> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102146375/Proposal%232.pdf?api=v2
> <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102146375/Proposal%232.pdf?api=v2>
>
> *Proposal
> #4:*https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102146375/Proposal%234.pdf?api=v2
> <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/102146375/Proposal%234.pdf?api=v2>
>
> *Where to Find All Discussion Threads *
>
> Access the Documents wiki page and find the opening
> messages of the all discussion threads in the table
> (highlighted in green):
> https://community.icann.org/x/_oIWBg
> <https://community.icann.org/x/_oIWBg>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mary, Julie, Ariel
>
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