[gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items, Slides and Notes from the Working Group call held earlier today

Wed Apr 12 14:35:09 UTC 2017

Adding issues outside the remit of this working group isn't helpful to the
discussions of this working group.

Joining the WHOIS working group would be the best wayforward. The people
who want to keep the WHOIS open rather than make it more closed are
desperate for help.

http://www.circleid.com/posts/20170324_loudmouths_wanted_
for_icann_whois_replacement_work/

https://community.icann.org/display/gTLDRDS/Next-
Generation+gTLD+Registration+Directory+Services+to+Replace+Whois

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Colin O'Brien <
colin at partridgepartnerspc.com> wrote:

> +1 Georges
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org]
> On Behalf Of Nahitchevansky, Georges
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:09 AM
> To: Paul Keating
> Cc: gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items, Slides and Notes from the Working
> Group call held earlier today
>
> Actually it touches on the point here. If you are going to make various
> arguments of alleged abuse in support of claimed transparency, then it
> would it is relevant to know whether you are supporting a lack of
> transparency in the whois side of things where abuse has been rampant.
> While the TMCH and Whois are different animals a number of the arguments
> being made here to support transparency have actually been mirrored in the
> other context and rejected by those seeking opacity.  And one major
> difference between ‎the two situations is that there is widespread evidence
> of abuse of the whois system whereas here in the TMCH context you do not
> have evidence of a widespread abuse of the TMCH by brand owners.
> Nevertheless, you and others persist on wanting to conduct a fishing
> expedition under the guise of so called "transparency" to try and find some
> alleged widespread harm that simply does not exist. To many folks on the
> other side of the aisle, it appears that this is not about transparency but
> more about some effort to gut existing protections and to obtain the
> release of confidential information of brand owners as to what they did or
> did not register.   Perhaps this may not be the intent, but we all know
> that once that information is out the gaming will really begin. ‎Again,
> perhaps there are tweeks that could be made to improve the current system,
> but there is no real basis for undertaking the broad review that is being
> sought and certainly not for undoing the entire existing system.
>
> ‎
>   Original Message
> From: Paul Keating
> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 6:33 PM
> To: Nahitchevansky, Georges
> Cc: J. Scott Evans; gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org
> Subject: Re: Action Items,      Slides and Notes from the Working Group
> call held earlier today
>
> George,
>
> You can always quote me. I say what I have said. I only ask that you quote
> me accurately. The discussion here is the TMCH database. Please let's stay
> on topic.
>
> Happy to discuss Whois separately.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 12 Apr 2017, at 00:18, Nahitchevansky, Georges <
> ghn at kilpatricktownsend.com> wrote:
> >
> > Can I quote you in this on having an open and robust whois so we can
> > have across the board actual and real information on the parties
> > registering domain names and know who the bad actors are
> >
> > Georges Nahitchevansky
> > Kilpatrick Townsend & Stockton LLP
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> > ghn at kilpatricktownsend.com | www.kilpatricktownsend.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org
> > [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul Keating
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 5:58 PM
> > To: J. Scott Evans
> > Cc: gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org
> > Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items, Slides and Notes from the
> > Working Group call held earlier today
> >
> > It says at most which domains it wants pre-emptiness and notice rights
> over.
> >
> > Hardly a confidential business secret. The information is a public
> record. And, After all the Information is instantly public the minute one
> pre-emptive sunrise registration is undertaken. The notice right is
> completely a non secret.
> >
> > And hardly sufficient to use to hide bad actors.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On 11 Apr 2017, at 23:18, J. Scott Evans via gnso-rpm-wg <
> gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> There is a big difference from a database that contains all a company’s
> registered marks and one that contains a culling for only those it deems
> most valuable for protection in the DNS. The former is clearly open for the
> public, the later is not.
> >>
> >> J. Scott
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/11/17, 2:03 PM, "gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
> Jeremy Malcolm" <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
> jmalcolm at eff.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 11/4/17 9:43 am, J. Scott Evans via gnso-rpm-wg wrote:
> >>> George:
> >>>
> >>> We have all followed this string. We understand that you and a few
> others believe there need to be wholesale changes to the Sunrise mechanism
> and the TMCH database (or at least the confidentiality of that data).
> >>>
> >>> 1. Do you have a suggestion for how to improve the Sunrise mechanism?
> >>> 2. I see very little support for violating the confidentiality
> provisions of the TMCH contract.
> >>
> >> FWIW I am also all for bringing the transparency of the TMCH database
> >> into line with those of national trademark registries so that its
> >> secrecy does not facilitate the kinds of abuses that George has
> >> uncovered. I have been an observer until now but I've just upgraded
> >> to member and plan to join the call tomorrow.
> >>
> >> --
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