[gnso-rpm-wg] 99%+ reduction in sunrise utilization rate per TLD supports EFF call for elimination of sunrise
Volker Greimann
vgreimann at key-systems.net
Mon Aug 14 10:49:23 UTC 2017
As this phase would coincide with the claims notice period and fulfil a
similar purpose, the current practice would be made redundant. Instead
of a claims notice that each registrant would have to approve in the
first few days of general availability, the registrant could instead be
informed that the domain name is not available for open registration
until date X due to existing third party rights. The registrant would
therefore be generally warned and be able to do his research before he
tries again after date X.
It would also allow the registry to go to the initial registration phase
right away after delegation (and any required notice period has passed)
instead of having to wait another month (or two months) for the seperate
sunrise to run its course.
It might also help to avoid special sunrise pricing if the phases are
merged.
Best,
Volker
Am 11.08.2017 um 20:12 schrieb Mike Rodenbaugh:
> I like Volker's idea at first glance. It seems at least worthy of
> exploration whether indeed it "would solve many of the existing
> issues." Volker could you provide a litte more depth to that -- what
> issues you think might be solved?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> Mike Rodenbaugh
> RODENBAUGH LAW
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> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 6:44 AM, Volker Greimann
> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>
> I will not dispute the effectiveness of Sunrise periods for rights
> holders, however there may be better options that provide just as
> much protection but have less impact on the release of a new TLD.
>
> For example, sunrise could be run concurrently with the general
> launch of a TLD simply by removing the eligible sunrise domain
> names from the pool of available domain names. Rights holders
> could still use their TMCH-tokens to register these semi-reserved
> strings as domain names but the release of the TLD to the general
> public would not be held back. Other potential registrants would
> merely receive a notice that this string is reserved until date X
> due to claimed rights of third parties (which could double as an
> abbreviated claims notice), or even opt to queue their
> registration request until the reservation period is over.
>
> This would actually solve many of the existing issues.
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
>
>
>
> Am 11.08.2017 um 15:12 schrieb Nahitchevansky, Georges:
>
> I was not going to engage in yet more back and forth on
> sunrise, but in reading your email, and those of several
> others, I feel compelled to say something on this by the
> numbers discussion. This type of metric driven approach is
> very much akin to driving down a road with blinders on either
> side. It's a tad pedantic and as we know from history these
> types of approaches (many times pushed by bureaucrats) can
> often lead to disastrous decisions (e.g. Soviet style five
> year plans). You need to look at the overall situation and
> what is going on, as opposed to just getting caught up in the
> numbers -- which after all can get sliced and diced any number
> of ways. The reality is that brand owners are using sunrise
> to protect their brands in the key extensions that relate to
> their businesses. The numbers may not be huge per se, but the
> new gTLD program has pretty much, by all accounts, not been
> the success that ICANN had hoped for. Moreover, we all know
> that the success of the extensions has been quite uneven. Some
> are barely breaking even, some have been a great success,
> others have failed and yet others have only experienced
> lackluster results. What all of this means is that some
> extensions are simply not worth registering in.
>
> That being said, sunrise does have an important value. If
> there are up to 100,000 plus registrations based on bona fide
> brands, and some on the most valuable brands in the world,
> then the system is working as it is preventing a significant
> amount of cybersquatting . If we go by he metrics you love,
> then it is not rocket science to figure out that a landrush
> approach is going to lead to a large spike of abuse (as we
> have seen in the past in no sunrise situations). This in turn
> leads to significant costs of investigating and pursuing
> infringements, all of which ultimately leads to more costs to
> consumers and loss of faith in the integrity of the system --
> particularly if consumers get tricked or defrauded by a domain
> name that appears to be related to a brand (e.g., Gucci.shoes)
> and which could have been registered during a sunrise period.
>
> So while I understand that brand owners are not making sunrise
> registrations across 1000 plus extensions, the point is that
> they are generally picking the most logical extensions and are
> not abusing the sunrise system. So whether the number is one
> percent or less or ten percent, that number doesn't really
> tell the story. 100,000 plus sunrise registrations prevents a
> ton of abuse, which benefits everyone in the end. The numbers
> only approach really misses the mark. It's like saying that if
> a disease affects less that 1% of the world population, we
> should not waste money on finding a cure for it and stop all
> funding on such research (even though the costs of treating
> the disease for the less than 1% will be staggeringly high).
>
> So in closing, I again urge you to concentrate on trying to
> find a fix to address the limited speculator issue as opposed
> to beating a dead horse on the sunrise issue.
>
>
> Original Message
> From: George Kirikos
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 12:22 AM
> To: gnso-rpm-wg
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] 99%+ reduction in sunrise
> utilization rate per TLD supports EFF call for elimination of
> sunrise
>
> Hello,
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:21 PM, Greg Shatan
> <gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I don't see the math that created your "talking point" of
> a "99%+ reduction
> in sunrise." Can you show your work please?
>
> The post at:
>
> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/2017-August/002321.html
> <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/2017-August/002321.html>
>
> showed numerous sunrise statistics, ranging from 15,000 on the
> low end
> for .mobi (.co was slightly lower, although that's a ccTLD,
> not a TLD
> that ICANN is involved with in any way), 32,000 for .asia,
> 80,000 for
> .biz/.xxx, and who knows what it was for .info?
>
> Even taking the lowest of those (15,000) as the base, 130 (average
> new gTLD sunrise from The Analysis Group report) divided by
> 15,000 =
> 0.0087 = 0.87%, which is less than 1%, i.e. a 99%+ reduction. Of
> course, if one chose a higher base (.asia, .xxx, .biz, .etc.),
> or an
> average of those other sunrises, the reduction is even greater
> than if
> one had used the lowest sunrise (from .mobi).
>
> As for your other statement:
>
> We can't expect Sunrise registrations to outperform the
> New gTLD Program generally."
>
> While the new gTLD program has been a disaster, it hasn't been an
> underperformance of 99%+ of expectations (perhaps more like
> 80% to 90%
> underperformance). Thus, while it's obvious that both have been
> failures, sunrise usage is an even greater failure than new gTLDs
> overall. So, even on that relative scale, the sunrise period
> should be
> eliminated.
>
> Since I know you'll ask "George, why do you say there's been
> an 80% or
> 90% underpeformance for new gTLDs?" let me answer that now to save
> time. I'll use as my reference (besides the obvious general
> observations of most informed observers) ICANN's own stats:
>
> http://domainincite.com/18857-new-gtld-sales-miss-icann-estimates-by-a-mile
> <http://domainincite.com/18857-new-gtld-sales-miss-icann-estimates-by-a-mile>
>
> where the numbers came in at just 18% of ICANN's original 2014
> expectations. For the math-challenged, 100% - 18% = 82% as the
> level
> of underperformance.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> George Kirikos
> 416-588-0269 <tel:416-588-0269>
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