[gnso-rpm-wg] Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat for Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP WG on 25 January 2017
jonathan.matkowsky at riskiq.net
Wed Jan 25 14:44:48 UTC 2017
My regrets that I missed this call. It somehow fell of my calendar as
I am traveling in different timezones.
vp – ip & brand security
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 6:35 AM, Michelle DeSmyter
<michelle.desmyter at icann.org> wrote:
> Dear All,
> Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3
> recording below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in
> all gTLDs PDP Working Group call held on Wednesday, 25 January 2017 at 04:00
> UTC. Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki
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> Michelle DeSmyter
> Adobe Connect chat transcript for 25 January 2017:
> Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection
> Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDS PDP Working Group call on Wednesday, 25
> January 2017 at 04:00 UTC.
> Michelle DeSmyter:Meeting page:
> George Kirikos:Hi everyone.
> Michelle DeSmyter:Hello George!
> George Kirikos:Hi Michelle.
> George Kirikos:brb
> Petter Rindforth:God Morning!
> Mary Wong:Hello Laurie, Petter, George!
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Geeetings all
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:hola
> George Kirikos:Hi Mary and Vaibhav.
> Mary Wong:Hi Vaibhav, Justine, Grace, J Scott and all!
> GraceM:Hi Mary. Hi everyone!
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Greetings Mary
> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All
> David McAuley (RySG):Hi Mary
> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):7am for me
> Jonathan Agmon:Hello all
> David McAuley (RySG):is sound muffled for anyone else?
> Mary Wong:The follow up questions are also captured on the slides
> Mary Wong:On Q2, note that the follow up question from last week's call
> was, WHO should the TMCH (if it is the TMCH) be educating besides
> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1 for education from ICANN (after all .. there are
> exceed funds from new gTLD program)
> Mary Wong:@Maxim, what to do with the auction proceeds from the 2012 New
> gTLD Program is the subject of a new Cross Community Working Group so it's
> not known at this time how those funds will be used.
> Jonathan Agmon:Would imposing educational duties on the TMCH mean an
> increase of their fees?
> Kathty Kleiman:@Jonathan: Since it would not require any additional
> "learning effort" on the part of the TMCH (they're already the experts),
> having additional educational materials available on their website shoulld
> not be much additional cost.
> Michael Flemming:I am all for the TMCH to educate rights holders, domain
> name registrants and potential registrants, but haven't they already been
> doing that? I worked with staff from the TMCH in order to help educate
> rights holders 3/4 years ago when this all started. We are in agreement that
> there is incentive opportunity, but there is a large cost associated with
> educating people. It has to be done in the right and correct way. Unless you
> communicate the need for the TMCH to rights holders, then none of them will
> buy into it. The initial impression of the TMCH that rights holders have is
> that new gTLDs and TMCH is too troublesome and it is easier to just not be
> associated with. I think we need to look at this as a community perspective,
> as well.
> Mary Wong:We save the chats, but encourage everyone to speak up so your
> remarks are captured in the recording and meeting transcript.
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Jonathan Excellent Q. It will become an entry
> barrier for main nTLDs
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:especially for Not-for-profitorgs
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@JSoctt Coomunity effortss
> Mary Wong:@Vaibhav, what do you mean by community efforts?
> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I don't oppose having the TMCH
> post official training materials on their site, once ICANN creates it. But
> the TMCH just has no way to tell the customers of any particular registry or
> registrar what their experience will be.
> Petter Rindforth:ICANN: Education, TMCH: Basic information
> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think community does not have capacity or funds
> for education
> Mary Wong:Yes
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Mary - Wile TMCH takes the lead, but the
> Registries shuld have equal participation
> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Perfect Heather
> Mary Wong:@Vaibhav, how do you mandate that? Or do you leave it to
> registries (and maybe registrars) to decide to do it?
> George Kirikos:ICANN/TMCH together can provide materials that the
> registrars convey to customers, in a hybrid. But, ultimately it's the
> registrars who deal with registrants.
> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Registrars have contact with the Registrants who use
> TMCH, and Registries do not
> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Yes, the TMCH should educate
> on how to use their system. But the registrants do not use the TMCH, they
> experience "side effects."
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Maxim @Mary If Registries chage a premium on
> Domain names then they ming keep a couple of $s for education & awareness on
> the side
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:why all profit is to be Paid by the consumer ?
> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:+1Maxim and registries develop
> sunrise policies.
> Mary Wong:@Maxim that is true for Claims, though not necessarily for
> Sunrise or Notice of Registered Name (NORN) after a registration matching a
> TMCH mark has taken place, right?
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:& Registries act s agents of the educatinn for
> Registrants on behalf of Registries
> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Vaibhav , TCMH is a product of new gTLD progam, and
> exceed funds are .. IMHO just unused for education (new gTLD awareness also)
> Mary Wong:@J Scott, ok
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Yes
> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Mary , please do not mix technical interaction of
> computers and human interaction with customers (education of omputer API
> level does not work)
> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*computer API
> Kathty Kleiman:@Mary: I think Kristine's suggestion above is worth saving
> in our Notes. It's part of the Hybrid solution...
> Kathty Kleiman:... suggested by Heather and others.
> Mary Wong:@Kathy, sorry I missed it - can someone rephrase the Hybrid
> Kathty Kleiman:TMCH + ICANN
> Mary Wong:We are expecting feedback from the TMCH Providers
> Mary Wong:Nothing yet received from any registrar
> George Kirikos:Here was Greg Shatan's comment:
> Mary Wong:We will recirculate the folllow up questions to Q1 & 2 to the
> list, plus notes from today
> Kathty Kleiman:@Mary: as a note to the "hybrid," perhaps we could add
> Kristine's comment -- I don't oppose having the TMCH post official training
> materials on their site, once ICANN creates it. But the TMCH just has no
> way to tell the customers of any particular registry or registrar what their
> experience will be.
> Justine Chew:Q3 (a) ---
> Michael Flemming:Who are private parties?
> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:We should seek anecdotal data
> for at least #2 as well.
> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):IBM is technical part and they might educate about
> technical side only (and most probably we talk about legal part of
> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):so it looks like we need to ask Deloitte..
> Mary Wong:Note that one of the questions that the TMCH Data Gathering Sub
> Team sent to the TMCH Providers concerned the number of private contracts
> they had for using the TMCH
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Jscott You are away from the Mic please close up
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Npe
> Michael Flemming:Yes
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:lost volume
> George Kirikos:Low volume, but I can hear you.
> Kathty Kleiman:I think that's right
> Heather Forrest:I heard you, J Scott
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:yup
> David McAuley (RySG):better
> Michael Flemming:Loud and clear
> George Kirikos:(via the phone bridge)
> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I hear
> Mary Wong:The specific question asked of Deloitte and IBM was: "Can you
> tell us who is using the TMDB and under what circumstances (other than for
> providing the Sunrise and Claims Notice services required by ICANN)? How
> many “blocking”-type services are you supporting (e.g. protected marks
> lists), and with/for whom? Are you aware of other services that may be
> provided by registry operators using the TMDB other than via contract with
> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):just took look at the Russian page of
> - they should have used translators and not automated translation ...I hope
> the education is properly delivered not only in English
> Michael Flemming:Yes!
> Michael Flemming:Thank you.
> Mary Wong:We are expecting the TMCH Providers to provide us with their
> responses - I will follow up with my GDD colleagues to send a reminder
> Michael Flemming:I think the simple answer to this question is that
> information is available, but the quality of information is not very good.
> The best and fastest answer possible is to send it to the TMCH Providers.
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Jscott : Y dont v get them here in the group and
> share their perspecctive
> Mary Wong:@Vaibhav, I believe that this is something the co-chairs are
> open to, depending on the actual responses we get.
> Michael Flemming:Because they're asleep :)
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@MicF ha ha ha good one
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Lets wake them from the Yellow pages ;-)
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Marry Yes My Suggestion
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG::-)
> Kathty Kleiman:I like that idea!
> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):we need to be sure that we have feedback from them
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Infact they could be a part of some Calls in order
> to Speed up the discussion on this
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Its like Interview 1 by 1 in order to set the
> perspective on the Qs right
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Maxim Correct
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:right
> Michael Flemming:Oh, I am pretty sure they will be there.
> Mary Wong::)
> Kathty Kleiman:It has been a long day!!
> Mary Wong:@J Scott, yes, staff will do that
> George Kirikos:Bye folks.
> George Kirikos::-)
> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:LOL
> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:ha ha ha
> Kathty Kleiman:Good morning; good night!
> Mary Wong:Thanks everyone
> David McAuley (RySG):Good bye all
> Lillian Fosteris:Good night/good day!
> Heather Forrest:Thanks J Scott and Mary!
> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Thanks everyone, thanks J
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Thanks Guys have a good One
> GraceM:thank you all
> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:GNight
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