[gnso-rpm-wg] Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat for Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP WG on 25 January 2017

jonathan matkowsky jonathan.matkowsky at riskiq.net
Wed Jan 25 14:44:48 UTC 2017

My regrets that I missed this call. It somehow fell of my calendar as
I am traveling in different timezones.

jonathan matkowsky,
vp – ip & brand security

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 6:35 AM, Michelle DeSmyter
<michelle.desmyter at icann.org> wrote:
> Dear All,
> Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3
> recording below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in
> all gTLDs PDP Working Group call held on Wednesday, 25 January 2017 at 04:00
> UTC. Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki
> page:https://community.icann.org/x/L53DAw
> MP3: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-25jan17-en.mp3
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> Kind regards,
> Michelle DeSmyter
> Adobe Connect chat transcript for 25 January 2017:
>  Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection
> Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDS PDP Working Group call on Wednesday, 25
> January 2017 at 04:00 UTC.
>   Michelle DeSmyter:Meeting page:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_L53DAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=wMNkizUmvwMUK9ngTrCmMoSkKeQU01zep_PgVz8I2vI&s=uGB46M06d__E1gskG6xIunjmOI2PhSou3aj7Yg9qDhQ&e=
>   George Kirikos:Hi everyone.
>   Michelle DeSmyter:Hello George!
>   George Kirikos:Hi Michelle.
>   George Kirikos:brb
>   Petter Rindforth:God Morning!
>   Mary Wong:Hello Laurie, Petter, George!
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Geeetings all
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:hola
>   George Kirikos:Hi Mary and Vaibhav.
>   Mary Wong:Hi Vaibhav, Justine, Grace, J Scott and all!
>   GraceM:Hi Mary. Hi everyone!
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Greetings Mary
>   Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All
>   David McAuley (RySG):Hi Mary
>   Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):7am for me
>   Jonathan Agmon:Hello all
>   David McAuley (RySG):is sound muffled for anyone else?
>   Mary Wong:The follow up questions are also captured on the slides
>   Mary Wong:On Q2, note that the follow up question from last week's call
> was, WHO should the TMCH (if it is the TMCH) be educating besides
> rights-holders?
>   Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1 for education from ICANN (after all .. there are
> exceed funds from new gTLD program)
>   Mary Wong:@Maxim, what to do with the auction proceeds from the 2012 New
> gTLD Program is the subject of a new Cross Community Working Group so it's
> not known at this time how those funds will be used.
>   Jonathan Agmon:Would imposing educational duties on the TMCH mean an
> increase of their fees?
>   Kathty Kleiman:@Jonathan: Since it would not require any additional
> "learning effort" on the part of the TMCH (they're already the experts),
> having additional educational materials available on their website shoulld
> not be much additional cost.
>   Michael Flemming:I am all for the TMCH to educate rights holders, domain
> name registrants and potential registrants, but haven't they already been
> doing that? I worked with staff from the TMCH in order to help educate
> rights holders 3/4 years ago when this all started. We are in agreement that
> there is incentive opportunity, but there is a large cost associated with
> educating people. It has to be done in the right and correct way. Unless you
> communicate the need for the TMCH to rights holders, then none of them will
> buy into it. The initial impression of the TMCH that rights holders have is
> that new gTLDs and TMCH is too troublesome and it is easier to just not be
> associated with. I think we need to look at this as a community perspective,
> as well.
>   Mary Wong:We save the chats, but encourage everyone to speak up so your
> remarks are captured in the recording and meeting transcript.
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Jonathan Excellent Q. It will become an entry
> barrier for main nTLDs
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:especially for Not-for-profitorgs
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@JSoctt Coomunity effortss
>   Mary Wong:@Vaibhav, what do you mean by community efforts?
>   Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I don't oppose having the TMCH
> post official training materials on their site, once ICANN creates it.  But
> the TMCH just has no way to tell the customers of any particular registry or
> registrar what their experience will be.
>   Petter Rindforth:ICANN: Education, TMCH: Basic information
>   Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think community does not have capacity or funds
> for education
>   Mary Wong:Yes
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Mary - Wile TMCH takes the lead, but the
> Registries shuld have equal participation
>   Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Perfect Heather
>   Mary Wong:@Vaibhav, how do you mandate that? Or do you leave it to
> registries (and maybe registrars) to decide to do it?
>   George Kirikos:ICANN/TMCH together can provide materials that the
> registrars convey to customers, in a hybrid. But,  ultimately it's the
> registrars who deal with registrants.
>   Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Registrars have contact with the Registrants who use
> TMCH, and Registries do not
>   Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Yes, the TMCH should educate
> on how to use their system.  But the registrants do not use the TMCH, they
> experience "side effects."
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Maxim  @Mary If Registries chage a premium on
> Domain names then they ming keep a couple of $s for education & awareness on
> the side
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:why all profit is to be Paid by the consumer ?
>   Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:+1Maxim and registries develop
> sunrise policies.
>   Mary Wong:@Maxim that is true for Claims, though not necessarily for
> Sunrise or Notice of Registered Name (NORN) after a registration matching a
> TMCH mark has taken place, right?
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:& Registries act s agents of the educatinn for
> Registrants on behalf of Registries
>   Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Vaibhav , TCMH is a product of new gTLD progam, and
> exceed funds are .. IMHO just unused for education (new gTLD awareness also)
>   Mary Wong:@J Scott, ok
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Yes
>   Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Mary ,  please do not mix technical interaction of
> computers and human interaction with customers (education of omputer API
> level does not work)
>   Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*computer API
>   Kathty Kleiman:@Mary: I think Kristine's suggestion above is worth saving
> in our Notes. It's part of the Hybrid solution...
>   Kathty Kleiman:... suggested by Heather and others.
>   Mary Wong:@Kathy, sorry I missed it - can someone rephrase the Hybrid
> solution?
>   Kathty Kleiman:TMCH + ICANN
>   Mary Wong:We are expecting feedback from the TMCH Providers
>   Mary Wong:Nothing yet received from any registrar
>   George Kirikos:Here was Greg Shatan's comment:
> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/2017-January/000932.html
>   Mary Wong:We will recirculate the folllow up questions to Q1 & 2 to the
> list, plus notes from today
>   Kathty Kleiman:@Mary: as a note to the "hybrid," perhaps we could add
> Kristine's comment -- I don't oppose having the TMCH post official training
> materials on their site, once ICANN creates it.  But the TMCH just has no
> way to tell the customers of any particular registry or registrar what their
> experience will be.
>   Justine Chew:Q3 (a) ---
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.trademark-2Dclearinghouse.com_-3F&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=wMNkizUmvwMUK9ngTrCmMoSkKeQU01zep_PgVz8I2vI&s=UsJeQz0r8Nhp7F0CjynH0BQ2_ki0wmh9T_p9tYx5w_I&e=
>   Michael Flemming:Who are private parties?
>   Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:We should seek anecdotal data
> for at least #2 as well.
>   Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):IBM is technical part and they might educate about
> technical side only (and most probably we talk about legal part of
> interation)
>   Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):so it looks like we need to ask Deloitte..
>   Mary Wong:Note that one of the questions that the TMCH Data Gathering Sub
> Team sent to the TMCH Providers concerned the number of private contracts
> they had for using the TMCH
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Jscott You are away from the Mic please close up
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Npe
>   Michael Flemming:Yes
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:lost volume
>   George Kirikos:Low volume, but I can hear you.
>   Kathty Kleiman:I think that's right
>   Heather Forrest:I heard you, J Scott
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:yup
>   David McAuley (RySG):better
>   Michael Flemming:Loud and clear
>   George Kirikos:(via the phone bridge)
>   Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I hear
>   Mary Wong:The specific question asked of Deloitte and IBM was: "Can you
> tell us who is using the TMDB and under what circumstances (other than for
> providing the Sunrise and Claims Notice services required by ICANN)? How
> many “blocking”-type services are you supporting (e.g. protected marks
> lists), and with/for whom? Are you aware of other services that may be
> provided by registry operators using the TMDB other than via contract with
> you?"
>   Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):just took look at the Russian page of
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.trademark-2Dclearinghouse.com_ru&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=wMNkizUmvwMUK9ngTrCmMoSkKeQU01zep_PgVz8I2vI&s=SZlF9bymSVo-zmd1uxHfq_aZHhoSZJm2RwhwcBw4Qho&e=
> - they should have used translators and not automated translation ...I hope
> the education is properly delivered not only in English
>   Michael Flemming:Yes!
>   Michael Flemming:Thank you.
>   Mary Wong:We are expecting the TMCH Providers to provide us with their
> responses - I will follow up with my GDD colleagues to send a reminder
>   Michael Flemming:I think the simple answer to this question is that
> information is available, but the quality of information is not very good.
> The best and fastest answer possible is to send it to the TMCH Providers.
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Jscott : Y dont v get them here in the group and
> share their perspecctive
>   Mary Wong:@Vaibhav, I believe that this is something the co-chairs are
> open to, depending on the actual responses we get.
>   Michael Flemming:Because they're asleep :)
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@MicF ha ha ha good one
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Lets wake them from the Yellow pages ;-)
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Marry Yes My Suggestion
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG::-)
>   Kathty Kleiman:I like that idea!
>   Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):we need to be sure that we have feedback from them
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Infact they could be a part of some Calls in order
> to Speed up the discussion on this
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Its like Interview 1 by 1 in order to set the
> perspective on the Qs right
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Maxim Correct
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:right
>   Michael Flemming:Oh, I am pretty sure they will be there.
>   Mary Wong::)
>   Kathty Kleiman:It has been a long day!!
>   Mary Wong:@J Scott, yes, staff will do that
>   George Kirikos:Bye folks.
>   George Kirikos::-)
>   Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:LOL
>   Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:ha ha ha
>   Kathty Kleiman:Good morning; good night!
>   Mary Wong:Thanks everyone
>   David McAuley (RySG):Good bye all
>   Lillian Fosteris:Good night/good day!
>   Heather Forrest:Thanks J Scott and Mary!
>   Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Thanks everyone, thanks J
> Scott!
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Thanks Guys have a good One
>   GraceM:thank you all
>   Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:GNight
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