[gnso-rpm-wg] A Proposal for Smarter Non-Exact Matches

Fri Jun 2 14:58:25 UTC 2017

Dear all,

I too, like Paul K., have reservations about "expanding the reach" of TM
holders. With the exception of commonly abused terms perhaps, it is
difficult for me to fathom whether Greg S' proposal addendum, with or
without the additions suggested by Jonathan A. and Brian W., should they be
taken up, would result in fairness to as opposed to over-reaching in favour
of TM holders.

While we still have no conclusive data to support a conclusion that many
potential registrations are abandoned as a result of Claims notices being
received, I think it would still be imperative to ensure that the language
and messaging of such notices are simple and clear (as Paul K. puts it) in
explaining the reason for the trigger / receipt of such a notice and which
does not suggest that a relevant TM holder has any exclusive rights to any
non-exact match variants.  It seems to me that limiting (or not) the
triggering of a claims notice is something entirely within the control of
ICANN / TMCH and I think more emphasis should be placed towards not
discouraging potential good-faith registration, since I imagine bad-faith
actors would ignore any amount of claims notices anyway.

Also, do we have any concrete or anecdotal data which suggests that the
TM+50 is unpopular to TM holders?  If so, is it simply because of a cost
factor? Apologies if I have missed this, and would be grateful to be
pointed to the source of such data, if any.

Leaving aside the technicalities and cost of implementing any proposed
expansion, I look forward to paying greater attention to the upcoming
Claims Notices review.

Thanks,

Justine
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On 2 June 2017 at 16:50, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:

> Dear Brian,
>
> so essentially the chilling effects of the claims notice would persist for
> such registration requests. I would propose that such strings would only be
> protected by notifications, without any interruptions in the registration
> path.
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
>
> Am 01.06.2017 um 22:19 schrieb Winterfeldt, Brian J.:
>
> Dear all:
>
>
>
> The examples we cited have the potential to be used for cybersquatting,
> since they constitute either identical or non-exact matches, and
> accordingly are worth consideration for inclusion in any proposal for
> smarter non-exact matches.
>
>
>
> No one made any judgment as to whether the specific examples cited
> actually constitute legitimate use versus cybersquatting, although we note
> that at least one was taken directly from a successful UDRP complaint.
>
>
>
> Further, expanding Claims in this fashion does not impact a prospective
> registrants ability to register the name, if he/she so chooses.  It would
> merely expand the applicable Claims notices generated, and if the
> registration is completed, would provide notice of registered name to the
> relevant mark owner(s).
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Brian
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> *From:* gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at ic
> ann.org <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Brian F. Cimbolic
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 01, 2017 11:08 AM
> *To:* Volker Greimann; gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] A Proposal for Smarter Non-Exact Matches
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>
> Agreed, Volker.  Brian W – were you suggesting that the two categories of
> additional inexact “matches” be included in the TMCH in addition to the
> categories Greg provided?  On the second category (Related Brand Names) how
> would that play out in practice? Would we include every possible
> permutation of existing marks already contained in the TMCH?  That would be
> quite the expansion of the TMCH.  Would it just for somehow related
> fields/services and if so, who would make the determination for “related”
> marks?
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> Thanks,
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> ann.org <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Volker Greimann
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:04 AM
> *To:* gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] A Proposal for Smarter Non-Exact Matches
>
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>
> Hi Brian,
>
> why should such "telescoped terms" be protected at all? To take but two of
> your examples:
>
> sie.men - Siemen is a Dutch name. Sie also means "You" formally in German.
>
> NES.cafe - So if I wanted to open a retro-style gaming cafe for the
> Nintendo Entertainment System, that would trigger your proposed
> protections?
>
> It seems to be assumed that if a string matches or is similar to a
> trademarked term, its registration equates to cybersquatting, but that is
> not the case. Such protections are overreaching and infringing on the
> ability of legitimate users of such strings.
>
> A trademark is only violated if the domain is used in a violating way or
> if the intent of the registration is to deprive or to extort from the
> trademark holder. ANY other use of the term is likely to be legitimate and
> should not in any way be made more difficult than any other domain
> registration.
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
>
>
>
> Am 31.05.2017 um 20:28 schrieb Winterfeldt, Brian J.:
>
> Dear all:
>
>
>
> In response to a comment made on our call today suggesting that the
> attached, well drafted, proposal is a “comprehensive” representation of
> cybersquatting through non-exact matches, we offer a few additional
> examples:
>
>
>
>    1. Telescoped Terms:  These variations leverage TLD extensions as part
>    of an identical or non-exact match trademark.  For example, COCA-CO.LA,
>    SIE.MEN and NES.CAFE.
>
>
>
>    1. Related Brand Names:  These variations either improperly attempt to
>    use trademarks in a generic sense, or create consumer confusion concerning
>    the relationship between two or more otherwise unrelated trademarks.  For
>    example, GOOGLELINKEDIN.COM.
>
>
>
> We are no longer surprised by the new and inventive ways cybersquatters
> develop each day to create consumer confusion online, and would strongly
> caution against any characterization as truly comprehensive.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> *Brian J. Winterfeldt*
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> *From:* gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at ic
> ann.org <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Greg Shatan
> *Sent:* Monday, May 29, 2017 10:12 PM
> *To:* gnso-rpm-wg
> *Subject:* [gnso-rpm-wg] A Proposal for Smarter Non-Exact Matches
>
>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> As I've mentioned earlier, I think that a proposal to use non-exact
> matches other than "mark contained" matches ("dumb matches") makes sense to
> pursue.  Various types of matches have been discussed; however, there has
> been no actual proposal for "smarter" matches that can be used by the group.
>
>
>
> The attached proposal seek to fill that gap.  It is more in the nature of
> an addendum to the initial proposal on non-exact matches.  However, it does
> provide a more formal proposal on the types of non-exact matches to be
> considered.  The intent is to provide a sufficient framework to discuss
> these types of non-exact matches and to add these non-exact matches to the
> proposal.
>
>
>
> I hope that this helpful to the work of the group.
>
>
>
> Greg
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