[gnso-rpm-wg] RPM March 15 session - questions from George Kirikos
Corwin, Philip
pcorwin at verisign.com
Thu Mar 15 14:57:28 UTC 2018
My personal view is that it is the task of the WG to determine whether NAF and the other two providers are administering the URS in a manner that is consistent with the letter and spirit of the rules, procedures, and MOU.
It is unclear to me how the veracity and disposition of allegations brought against NAF in the last decade regarding consumer credit arbitrations have any significant relevance to its administration of the URS in the current decade.
Philip S. Corwin
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From: gnso-rpm-wg [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of George Kirikos
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 10:18 AM
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] RPM March 15 session - questions from George Kirikos
NAF's answer that they "voluntarily" left the consumer arbitration business seems incomplete. For example, consider the class-action lawsuit that followed, which notes in one order dated August 8, 2011:
CASE 0:10-md-02122-PAM -JSM D
http://www.lieffcabraser.com/pdf/national-arbitration-final.pdf
"Plaintiffs have a strong case, as evidenced by Defendants’ settlement with the Minnesota Attorney General for more than $30 million in the summer of 2009. " (page 2)
If there was indeed a $30 million "voluntary" payment to Minnesota, I find that very interesting.
Sincerely,
George Kirikos
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On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 10:08 AM, Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org<mailto:lschulman at inta.org>> wrote:
Moot point as question is being posed now.
Lori Schulman
Senior Director, Internet Policy
INTA
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On Mar 15, 2018, at 10:01 AM, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com<mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com>> wrote:
All, it is very hard to participate remotely. I have done it many times, and it is beyond frustrating. Let's try to understand, please. I thank Claudio, George and Justin for participating remotely...
Best, Kathy
On 3/15/2018 9:58 AM, Nahitchevansky, Georges wrote:
George K. Give it rest. The providers are here to talk about the URS, period. What you are doing is disruptive and disrespectful of the presenters and the WG -- and the work we are trying to do in the short time frame we have.
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Sent: March 15, 2018 9:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] RPM March 15 session - questions from George Kirikos
These *are* questions about their practices, namely how they *differ*
from the practices in the consumer arbitration business which they
left, after the Minnesota Attorney General lawsuit, etc. regarding
alleged abuses in those practices.
Sincerely,
George Kirikos
416-588-0269
http://www.leap.com/
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 9:44 AM, Susan Payne <susan.payne at valideus.com><mailto:susan.payne at valideus.com> wrote:
> Actually I think we should take the opportunity of having the providers with us (whether in person or by phone) to get as much information about their processes) That is what they were asked to prepare for and they have clearly spent time doing so. It is very discourteous to MSFD and ADNDC to curtail their time in order to direct questions to Forum which are not directly related to what the three providers were asked to present on. And indeed discourteous to the WG members who would like to hear from them.
>
> I say that not because I want to shield Forum - in fact I suspect Renee would appreciate the opportunity to put this long past history to bed - but because this is clearly something which can be done as a follow up and it is not directly within the scope of the purpose of this meeting with all three providers.
>
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> Susan Payne
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: gnso-rpm-wg [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Kleiman
> Sent: 15 March 2018 09:24
> To: gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] RPM March 15 session - questions from George Kirikos
>
> Hi George, this is going to be a "last 10 minute" question. That's the space reserved for additional questions.
>
> Best, Kathy
>
>
> On 3/15/2018 8:42 AM, George Kirikos wrote:
>> [with the Adobe Connect down, it seems remote participants can only
>> ask questions via email]
>>
>> For NAF:
>>
>> According to:
>>
>> [A]
>> https://fedsoc.org/commentary/publications/national-arbitration-forum-
>> settlement-with-minnesota-attorney-general
>>
>> "On July 20, 2009, Minnesota Attorney General Lori Swanson announced
>> that the country’s largest arbitrator of credit-card and
>> consumer-collection disputes would no longer handle consumer
>> arbitrations.
>>
>> The National Arbitration Forum’s decision to end its
>> consumer-arbitration business resulted from a settlement it reached
>> with the State of Minnesota less than a week after Attorney General
>> Swanson sued the company in Ramsey County, Minnesota, accusing the
>> company of violating Minnesota’s consumer-fraud,
>> deceptive-trade-practices, and false-advertising statutes."
>>
>> [B]
>> https://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/minnesota-attorney-genera
>> l-lawsuit-national-arbitration-forum-1282.php
>>
>> "The lawsuit claims the NAF, the largest arbitration company in the
>> United States, violates state consumer fraud and deceptive trade laws
>> by hiding its financial ties to collection agencies and credit card
>> companies. The lawsuit also claims the company violates false
>> advertising laws by misrepresenting themselves as a neutral
>> organization. "
>>
>> My questions are: (for NAF)
>>
>> (1) In light of [A], how do NAF's business practices in handling
>> domain name disputes differ from those in the consumer-arbitration
>> business which it left, and how can domain name registrants be
>> confident that the same abuses which were alleged in consumer
>> arbitrations are not present in its domain name dispute business?
>>
>> (2) In light of [B], who are the beneficial owners of NAF, and do they
>> have any times to the trademark industry, law firms, or anyone else
>> that might affect its neutrality? In other words, what is the
>> "Statement of Interest" (SOI) for NAF itself as an organization?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> George Kirikos
>> 416-588-0269
>> http://www.leap.com/
>>
>> P.S. Further background info at:
>>
>> https://library.nclc.org/sites/default/files/Arb10_Appx_O-1.pdf
>> https://www.citizen.org/sites/default/files/arbitrationtrap.pdf
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_(alternative_dispute_resolution<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_%28alternative_dispute_resolution>)
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