[IDN-WG] next steps from meeting today [RE: Meeting Room / meeting again Thu 9:30-11am [RE: response on VIP Project plan]]
Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
Sat Mar 17 11:26:21 UTC 2012
Hi,
Other action items were to get some more technical people involved such as
the guy Jean Jacques was referring to and also get Julie Hammon to join us.
Kind Regards,
Sala
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Edmon Chung <edmon at isoc.hk> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> First of all, thanks for all those who were able to join for a very
> constructive meeting to prepare our response on the IDN VIP Proposed
> Project Plan.
>
>
>
> The next steps as discussed would be:
>
> - redraft of the response to circulate to IDN WG
>
> - schedule of VIP Team webminar for ALAC
>
> - schedule IDN WG meeting (conference call) before the webminar
>
> - schedule IDN WG meeting (conference call) after webminar to finalize
> response
>
>
>
>
>
> Regarding the redraft of the document, will reorganize based on the
> following structure:
>
>
>
> 1.
>
> a. Overarching statements on urgency of the issue, with examples (e.g. 20%
> of users are today accessing the ".China" IDN Variant TLD, non-English
> users interests, etc.) focused on demographics/community needs (and include
> references to substantiate community consensus)
>
> b. Touching on accountability/transparency (charter obligations of icann
> and ATRT)
>
> c. core recommendation from ALAC
>
> - proceed based on community consensus approach (by
> language/script community) towards implementation of IDN Variant TLDs in
> the root
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>
>
> 2. Concerns on proposed approach
>
> - timing/schedule (and lack thereof)
>
> - intent of an all encompassing/universal/standardized approach
> (deviating from community consensus)
>
> - staggered approach (to allow language/script communities that
> are already aware to start in parallel and go at their own pace, as well as
> for language/script communities not already participating to enter at a
> later date)
>
>
>
> 3. Substantive discussion of content (IDN VIP next steps specific)
>
> - in the format of:
>
> - findings:
>
> - recommendations:
>
>
>
> Edmon
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> From: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro [mailto:
> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:42 PM
> To: Hong Xue
> Cc: Edmon Chung; Gisella Gruber; idn-wg at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Subject: Re: [IDN-WG] Meeting Room / meeting again Thu 9:30-11am [RE:
> response on VIP Project plan]
>
>
>
> My tracked edits (comments) are attached.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Sala
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Hong Xue <hongxueipr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, this is a good draft. Thanks, Edmon. One rough thinking is:
>
> The 1st sentence under bulletin 2 sounds too critical. We may wish to
> present a positive agenda of promoting IDN users' interests, rather
> than criticizing the knowledge or experience shortage of ICANN
> technical specialists.
>
> Since I have to attend other meeting, I apologize for not being able
> to join this meeting.
>
> Hong
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon at isoc.hk> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > Please find attached a draft ALAC response to the IDN VIP Project Plan
> based on the discussions so far this week.
> >
> > See you all:
> > Thursday March 15, 2012
> > 09:30-11:00
> > Room: Girasol
> >
> > Edmon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gisella Gruber [mailto:Gisella.Gruber at icann.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:32 AM
> > To: Edmon Chung; Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
> > Cc: idn-wg at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > Subject: Meeting Room / meeting again Thu 9:30-11am [RE: response on VIP
> Project plan]
> >
> > Dear Edmon and Working Group Members,
> >
> > Girasol Room (by the pool) is available from 09:30 to 11:00am on Thursday
> > morning. Please note HARD STOP at 11am as the room is occupied from 11am
> > onwards.
> >
> > NO AUDIO VISUAL will be available.
> >
> > Thank you.
> > Kind regards,
> > Gisella
> >
> > On 13/03/2012 17:58, "Edmon Chung" <edmon at isoc.hk> wrote:
> >
> >>I believe Jean-Jacques, Rinalia and Tijani can also make the time.
> >>
> >>Edmon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>From: Sivasubramanian M [mailto:isolatedn at gmail.com]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:40 AM
> >>To: Edmon Chung
> >>Cc: idn-wg at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >>Subject: Re: [IDN-WG] meeting again Thu 9:30-11am [RE: response on VIP
> >>Project plan]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Dear Edmon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Will attend this meeting.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon at isoc.hk> wrote:
> >>
> >>Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >>Based on the feedback and discussions we had with the VIP team during our
> >>Monday session, I was hoping we could try to meet up further this week to
> >>prepare our response to the VIP Project plan.
> >>
> >>Looking at the agenda, would like to suggest:
> >>Thursday, March 15
> >>9:30 - 11am
> >>
> >>I wonder if the time may work for most people...
> >>
> >>In the meantime, I will also prepare some notes highlighting the core
> >>issues of the project plan based on the feedback from the group so far
> >>and circulate it to the list by Wednesday night (probably late night or
> >>very early am Thu).
> >>
> >>In our Monday meeting, we suggested for the extension of the public
> >>comment period as well as setting up a webminar to allow for At-Large to
> >>better understand the issues as well. Would like to talk further about
> >>that as well if we could meet Thursday.
> >>
> >>Edmon
> >>
> >>
> >>PS. Also, ALAC staff team, I wonder if any signup rooms may be available
> >>at that time. We should not need other support.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: idn-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >>[mailto:idn-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edmon Chung
> >>Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:23 AM
> >>To: idn-wg at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >>Subject: [IDN-WG] response on VIP Project plan
> >>
> >>Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >>Here is a very brief skeleton for discussion of our response to the VIP
> >>Project Plan
> >>(
> http://www.icann.org/en/resources/idn/idn-vip-proposed-project-plan-20feb
> >>12-en.pdf):
> >>
> >>1. General ALAC Position
> >> - reiterate our support for IDN and IDN Variants
> >> - reiterate IDN's importance on multilingualism, etc.
> >> - reiterate our concerns for continued delay on the implementation
> >>of IDN Variant TLDs
> >> - ...
> >>
> >>2. Budget & Process
> >> - Previous ALAC comment from FY13
> >>
> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/31166974/ALAC+Statement+o
> >>n+the+Framework+for+the+FY+13+Budget.pdf?version=2
> >><
> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/31166974/ALAC+Statement+
>
> >>on+the+Framework+for+the+FY+13+Budget.pdf?version=2&modificationDate=13313
> >>27978359> &modificationDate=1331327978359
> >> - transparency of process for which the budget for VIP was
> >>developed
> >> - explanation on consultants vs. volunteers (was the original VIP
> >>results not satisfactory?)
> >> - ...
> >>
> >>3. ALAC Concerns
> >> - lack of clarity or clear need on some projects (project 3)
> >> - theoretic/grandiose approach (projects 1&2) versus practical
> >>implementation (spirit of the Internet)
> >> - need to better distinguish issues not specific to IDN Variant
> >>TLDs (project 4)
> >> - out of scope for ICANN (project 5)
> >> - cart before the horse (project 6)
> >>
> >>4. ALAC Advice
> >> - concentrate efforts to implement IDN Variant TLDs for
> >>communities who are ready
> >> - leverage already available expertise and experience from the
> >>community
> >> - direct funding to other IDN communities to support the bottom-up
> >>development of IDN policies from the language community
> >> - refocus on ICANN Scope (projects 7 & 8)
> >> - ...
> >>
> >>Feel free to start the discussion on this mailing list and we will
> >>continue at our meeting on Monday
> >>(http://costarica43.icann.org/node/29525)
> >>
> >>Edmon
> >>
> >>
> >>PS. If it is agreeable, would also like to invite the VIP team to our
> >>discussion
> >>
> >>
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