[IDN-WG] next steps from meeting today [RE: Meeting Room / meeting again Thu 9:30-11am [RE: response on VIP Project plan]]

Thu Mar 15 17:23:51 UTC 2012

Hi Everyone,

First of all, thanks for all those who were able to join for a very constructive meeting to prepare our response on the IDN VIP Proposed Project Plan.

The next steps as discussed would be:

- redraft of the response to circulate to IDN WG

- schedule of VIP Team webminar for ALAC

- schedule IDN WG meeting (conference call) before the webminar

- schedule IDN WG meeting (conference call) after webminar to finalize response

Regarding the redraft of the document, will reorganize based on the following structure:

1. 

a. Overarching statements on urgency of the issue, with examples (e.g. 20% of users are today accessing the ".China" IDN Variant TLD, non-English users interests, etc.) focused on demographics/community needs (and include references to substantiate community consensus)

b. Touching on accountability/transparency (charter obligations of icann and ATRT)

c. core recommendation from ALAC

            - proceed based on community consensus approach (by language/script community) towards implementation of IDN Variant TLDs in the root

2. Concerns on proposed approach

            - timing/schedule (and lack thereof)

            - intent of an all encompassing/universal/standardized approach (deviating from community consensus)

            - staggered approach (to allow language/script communities that are already aware to start in parallel and go at their own pace, as well as for language/script communities not already participating to enter at a later date)

3. Substantive discussion of content (IDN VIP next steps specific)

            - in the format of:

            - findings:

            - recommendations:

Edmon

From: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro [mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:42 PM
To: Hong Xue
Cc: Edmon Chung; Gisella Gruber; idn-wg at atlarge-lists.icann.org
Subject: Re: [IDN-WG] Meeting Room / meeting again Thu 9:30-11am [RE: response on VIP Project plan]

My tracked edits (comments) are attached.

Kind Regards,

Sala

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 1:51 AM, Hong Xue <hongxueipr at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, this is a good draft. Thanks, Edmon. One rough thinking is:

The 1st sentence under bulletin 2 sounds too critical. We may wish to
present a positive agenda of promoting IDN users' interests, rather
than criticizing the knowledge or experience shortage of ICANN
technical specialists.

Since I have to attend other meeting, I apologize for not being able
to join this meeting.

Hong

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon at isoc.hk> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Please find attached a draft ALAC response to the IDN VIP Project Plan based on the discussions so far this week.
>
> See you all:
> Thursday March 15, 2012
> 09:30-11:00
> Room: Girasol
>
> Edmon
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gisella Gruber [mailto:Gisella.Gruber at icann.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:32 AM
> To: Edmon Chung; Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
> Cc: idn-wg at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Subject: Meeting Room / meeting again Thu 9:30-11am [RE: response on VIP Project plan]
>
> Dear Edmon and Working Group Members,
>
> Girasol Room (by the pool) is available from 09:30 to 11:00am on Thursday
> morning. Please note HARD STOP at 11am as the room is occupied from 11am
> onwards.
>
> NO AUDIO VISUAL will be available.
>
> Thank you.
> Kind regards,
> Gisella
>
> On 13/03/2012 17:58, "Edmon Chung" <edmon at isoc.hk> wrote:
>
>>I believe Jean-Jacques, Rinalia and Tijani can also make the time.
>>
>>Edmon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Sivasubramanian M [mailto:isolatedn at gmail.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:40 AM
>>To: Edmon Chung
>>Cc: idn-wg at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>Subject: Re: [IDN-WG] meeting again Thu 9:30-11am [RE: response on VIP
>>Project plan]
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear Edmon
>>
>>
>>
>>Will attend this meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Edmon Chung <edmon at isoc.hk> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Everyone,
>>
>>Based on the feedback and discussions we had with the VIP team during our
>>Monday session, I was hoping we could try to meet up further this week to
>>prepare our response to the VIP Project plan.
>>
>>Looking at the agenda, would like to suggest:
>>Thursday, March 15
>>9:30 - 11am
>>
>>I wonder if the time may work for most people...
>>
>>In the meantime, I will also prepare some notes highlighting the core
>>issues of the project plan based on the feedback from the group so far
>>and circulate it to the list by Wednesday night (probably late night or
>>very early am Thu).
>>
>>In our Monday meeting, we suggested for the extension of the public
>>comment period as well as setting up a webminar to allow for At-Large to
>>better understand the issues as well. Would like to talk further about
>>that as well if we could meet Thursday.
>>
>>Edmon
>>
>>
>>PS. Also, ALAC staff team, I wonder if any signup rooms may be available
>>at that time.  We should not need other support.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: idn-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>[mailto:idn-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Edmon Chung
>>Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:23 AM
>>To: idn-wg at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>Subject: [IDN-WG] response on VIP Project plan
>>
>>Hi Everyone,
>>
>>Here is a very brief skeleton for discussion of our response to the VIP
>>Project Plan
>>(http://www.icann.org/en/resources/idn/idn-vip-proposed-project-plan-20feb
>>12-en.pdf):
>>
>>1. General ALAC Position
>>       - reiterate our support for IDN and IDN Variants
>>       - reiterate IDN's importance on multilingualism, etc.
>>       - reiterate our concerns for continued delay on the implementation
>>of IDN Variant TLDs
>>       - ...
>>
>>2. Budget & Process
>>       - Previous ALAC comment from FY13
>>https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/31166974/ALAC+Statement+o
>>n+the+Framework+for+the+FY+13+Budget.pdf?version=2
>><https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/31166974/ALAC+Statement+
>>on+the+Framework+for+the+FY+13+Budget.pdf?version=2&modificationDate=13313
>>27978359> &modificationDate=1331327978359
>>       - transparency of process for which the budget for VIP was
>>developed
>>       - explanation on consultants vs. volunteers (was the original VIP
>>results not satisfactory?)
>>       - ...
>>
>>3. ALAC Concerns
>>       - lack of clarity or clear need on some projects (project 3)
>>       - theoretic/grandiose approach (projects 1&2) versus practical
>>implementation (spirit of the Internet)
>>       - need to better distinguish issues not specific to IDN Variant
>>TLDs (project 4)
>>       - out of scope for ICANN (project 5)
>>       - cart before the horse (project 6)
>>
>>4. ALAC Advice
>>       - concentrate efforts to implement IDN Variant TLDs for
>>communities who are ready
>>       - leverage already available expertise and experience from the
>>community
>>       - direct funding to other IDN communities to support the bottom-up
>>development of IDN policies from the language community
>>       - refocus on ICANN Scope (projects 7 & 8)
>>       - ...
>>
>>Feel free to start the discussion on this mailing list and we will
>>continue at our meeting on Monday
>>(http://costarica43.icann.org/node/29525)
>>
>>Edmon
>>
>>
>>PS. If it is agreeable, would also like to invite the VIP team to our
>>discussion
>>
>>
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