[Internal-cg] Minutes of the Fourth ICG Face-to-Face Meeting, 6-7 February 2015

Jennifer Chung jen at icgsec.asia
Wed Feb 25 21:22:12 UTC 2015

Hi Daniel,

Attached are the minutes to the Feb 6 and 7 F2F meetings with your edits
incorporated.  I have also included some additional detail to the
description re the CRISP team (including links to the CRISP team website).
We have included links in the minutes to the presentation and also the
summary of the resolved questions.  

Version 2 of the minutes are also available on Dropbox at the links below:

Please let me know if there are further edits needed.

Best Regards,

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Karrenberg [mailto:daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 1:24 AM
To: Jennifer Chung; 'ICG'
Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Minutes of the Fourth ICG Face-to-Face Meeting,
6-7 February 2015

Here are my comments on the draft minutes:




"The ICG members expressed strong concerns about the jurisdictional issue of
IETF MoU in relation to the interdependency between the operational
communities. The ICG decided to further articulate any question to the
operational community on the internal-cg mailing list and to discuss this
topic further for the second day meeting."

I do not recall that all ICG members expressed concerns and I also do not
recall these as particular concerns, rather as questions. My recollection
supports a wording like:

"Some ICG members raised questions about the jurisdiction governing
agreements in the IETF proposal. The ICG decided ....."



"Wilson stated that the numbers proposal essentially reflects the consensus
among the RIRs."

I recollect Paul describing it in more detail which I consider relevant to
minute. My recollection would support a wording like:

"Wilson described that the numbers proposal was generated by the CRISP team
based on open, transparent and inclusive community discussions in all five
regions and that it represented the consensus built from these discussions
in an open and transparent process."


"Discussions among the ICG members clarified that the RIRs will not redesign
the policy making process related to numbers but only to change the
oversight process."

could be further clarified like this:

"Discussions among the ICG members clarified that the RIRs do not propose to
change the way global Internet number policies are made. The RIR response is
limited to the implementation of these policies."




"Karrenberg spoke to the reasoning behind the second approach as he stated
the possibility of the ICG receiving an influx of comments after the
submission of the names proposal, and having a set procedure dealing with
comments received on the icg-forum may negatively impact ICG's process.  He
stated that the comments can be dealt with within ICG's current process."

what I intended to say is better represented by this language:

"Karrenberg spoke to the reasoning behind the second approach. He said he
was concerned about the reduced flexibility for the ICG and the high
potential for abuse that any fixed procedure caused. He suggested that ICG
use its existing process to deal with comments by taking note of all
comments and deciding to ask specific questions to the communities based on
comments we agree to be relevant while the operational communities remained
free to act on any and all comments on their own initiative. He also noted
that the procedure as written delegated inappropriate judgement calls to the
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