[Neobrahmigp] [Ext] Re: Malayalam LGR document v1.2

Mon May 14 08:53:02 UTC 2018

Thank you Veena, for raising these points.

Kindly note that separate discussions around ZWJ and ZWNJ would need to be 
included in the Malayalam proposal, based on the solution finalized, 
highlighting limitations of the solution.

Regards,

Sarmad

From: veena solomon [mailto:veena.ycet at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:48 PM
To: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at icann.org>
Cc: neo brahmi <neobrahmigp at icann.org>
Subject: [Ext] Re: Malayalam LGR document v1.2

Thank you! I have gone through the invalids and they are indeed caused by the 
joiner characters and the split matras being used.

Historically, ZWJ was used to render chillu in certain fonts but later Unicode 
included chillu characters as standalone codepoints and MSR-3 also includes 
these standalone chillu characters. So, I think ZWJ need not be added in IDN.

ZWNJ, is used to prevent the formation of conjunct ligatures and it is 
required to avoid spelling mistakes and unnecessary conjuncts. For example, in 
a 2 word label, the first word ending in virama can form conjunct with the 
second word starting in a consonant. This causes a spelling mistake.

I request the other Malayalam panel members to go through the same and make 
suggestions.

Regards,

Veena Solomon

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