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Here is the proposed ECO data flows model.

Von: Lars Steffen <lars.steffen at eco.de<mailto:lars.steffen at eco.de>>
Betreff: Register now for 11 Dec 2017, Bruxelles ??? GDPR Domain Industry Playbook ??? Public Consultation
Datum: 24. November 2017 um 10:49:49 MEZ
An: "domains at lists.eco.de<mailto:domains at lists.eco.de>" <domains at lists.eco.de<mailto:domains at lists.eco.de>>

Register now!

GDPR Domain Industry Playbook - Public Consultation
Date: December 11, 2017, 10.00 - 17.00 Brussels time (9.00 - 16.00 UTC)
Venue: Representation of Lower Saxony to the European Union, Rue Montoyer 61, B-1000 Bruxelles
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Registration: https://web.eco.de/event/gdpr-domain-industry-playbook-public-consultation/

Eco Association of the Internet Industry invites interested parties to a public consultation on the GDPR Domain Industry Playbook.

Dear all,

As announced at ICANN60 in Abu Dhabi, eco has commissioned Fieldfisher (Germany) LLP, Hamburg, and Rickert Rechtsanwaltsgesellschaft mbH, Bonn, to work on a data model for the domain industry for generic domain names. The paper is currently being written based on consultations with contracted parties, legal assessments, policy work conducted by the ICANN community and the use case matrix published by ICANN based on a public consultation (see https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-progress-update-and-next-steps).

The proposed data model takes a holistic view at all data elements that contracted parties, i.e. registries and registrars are required to process based on ICANN???s contracts and policies. Further, it covers what data may be collected, transferred or otherwise processed and how data can be disclosed to requesting parties. Thus, it does not only speak to the ???Whois??? issue, but to data processing as such.

eco plans to publish the paper for review approximately 5 days before the consultation takes place.

The paper will be presented by Attorneys at Law Oliver S??me and Thomas Rickert and then the participants will be invited to comment and discuss the proposal.

Subsequently, the paper shall be finalized based on the comment received and it shall serve as a proposal to be presented to ICANN so that contracted parties implementing the model will not be sanctioned by ICANN for noncompliance with the existing contracts, seehttps://www.icann.org/resources/pages/contractual-compliance-statement-2017-11-02-en.

We are looking forward to seeing you in Brussels!

Kind regards,

Thomas & Lars

From: RDS-WHOIS2-RT [mailto:rds-whois2-rt-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Erika Mann
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 12:58 PM
To: Volker Greimann
Cc: RDS WHOIS2-RT List
Subject: Re: [RDS-WHOIS2-RT] Public WHOIS After May 2018

Indeed, nothing new is mentioned in the letter, we discussed these points few years ago already when I was a member the board. Unfortunately nothing happened then.

I'm not getting involved in the legal aspects mentioned in the letter because it's simply too late to quarrel with the Art 29 WP and since this debate is already a public one, one has to live unfortunately with certain consequences.

I will send you nonetheless an overview I prepared for larger corporations from a major third country.

Kind regards,
Erika

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:

This just came in:

https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/falque-pierrotin-to-chalaby-marby-06Dec17-en.pdf

The Article 29 WP wrote ICANN again, reiterating their position against public whois very clearly. As the WP is made up of the DPAs that would actually enforce the GDPR, the letter cannot be understood in any other way as than a warning to ICANN and by extention its contracted parties to make sure everything is compliant by May 25 next year. They also go out of their way to clarify why they do not agree with any of the many reasons usually given how public whois could be legal processing after all.

Even though the letter does not contain anything new to those that have paid any attention in the past ten years, it it unprecedented in its clarity.

Best,

Volker

Am 06.12.2017 um 11:28 schrieb Erika Mann:
Volker, hi -

yes, that's correct. A given consent can be withdrawn. Nonetheless the legitimate interest based clauses remain (processing data lawfully) remain intact, in particular in relation to data between business entities.

I spoke few days ago to Butterelli who's the head of the European Data Protection Supervisor and he said that he's expecting that remaining guidelines from the entity he's overseeing will be issued in February 2018. Many things will become clearer then. Keep in mind the GDPR is a messy law, insofar as many legal interpretations were not included in the law but need further explanations (guidelines). One needs to keep in mind as well that the ECJ will allow national interpretations that go beyond the GDPR, in particular in consumer right areas.

It's a messy process.

I'm finalizing by the end of next week a short overview about all the aspects one needs to consider. Happy to share this with this group. This overview is done for companies based outside the EU in a major third country.

Cheers,
Erika

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:

Hi Erika,

interesting, but I do not see how to construct voluntary, freely given consentin this context. Sure, we can ask registrants to give consent, but they must be free to refuse it or withdraw it at a later time without consequence to their registration request.

Best,

Volker

Am 06.12.2017 um 11:10 schrieb Erika Mann:
Not even fully accurate. One can continue to publish core data based on legitimate interest grounds and with an explicit consent declaration. I think people are not really understanding the GDPR well.

Erika

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>> wrote:
..this fella says he's only reporting what TUCOWS say a public whois record would resemble come GDPR implementation next year.

https://domainnamewire.com/2017/12/05/wow-public-whois-look-like-2018/

-Carlton

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