[RDS-WHOIS2-RT] NextGen Registration Data Distribution Service

Fri Jul 7 16:44:36 UTC 2017

Thanks Alan.   You do understand the question and my intent.

-Carlton

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On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
wrote:

> While I would be VERY happy to not touch this subject with a ten-foot pole
> since it overlaps with the PDP, I do not agree that we would need to define
> the purpose of a future WHOIS.
>
> The question that was raised by Carlton is whether the current WHOIS
> protocol is fit for purpose. The CURRENT purpose, whether we like it or not
> or agree with it or not. The current WHOIS asks for name and contact
> information. We live in a word with IDN names and contact information. The
> current 7-bit protocol is not able to handle them. Therefore, it is not fit
> for purpose.
>
> I agree that what SHOULD be in WHOIS is a different question. If the
> answer ends up being almost nothing, then perhaps the current protocol
> would be fit for that. But that is NOT what we are here to decide.
>
> Alan
>
>
> At 07/07/2017 04:36 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:
>
> The problem about asking this question is that to do so, we would first
> have to define the purpose of Whois and that is a bees nest because
> everyone only feels his part of the elephant in the darkness on that topic.
>
> Not saying that we shouldn't do it anyway, but it would complicate our
> work significantly.
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
>
> Am 06.07.2017 um 17:37 schrieb Alan Greenberg:
>
> I am less sure than Carlton that we MUST discuss this. I have no problem
> with discussing whether the current WHOIS protocol is fit for purpose, *but
> it better be a pretty short discussion*! If anyone has a good argument
> why it IS fit for purpose, it should be shared pretty quickly.
>
> The inability of a 7-bit protocol to handle today's IDN world, and the
> inability to handle any level of authorization/authentication/gating
> (which is generally understood to be necessary to allow critical
> information to be collected but not universally displayed in support of
> privacy legislation) makes the answer pretty clear. And as the charter
> Carlton points to indicates, this has been clear for quite some time.
>
> This is a REVIEW team. I believe it is well beyond our scope to debate
> whether the current protocol can be modified to meet new needs, to specify
> or design a replacement or to review possible replacements. And I have
> little interest in debating whether any new protocol should be called WHOIS
> (pretending it is the same), WHOIS-Mark-2, RDAP, WEIRDS, WIERDS or
> Betelgeuse.
>
> Alan
>
>
> At 05/07/2017 10:08 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote:
>
> Dear All:
> I believe this review will have to answer the question as to whether the
> current WHOIS protocol is fit to purpose in a evolved DNS environment in
> one or other job stream.  Some may recall that the RDAP is being proposed
> as a fit and proper replacement.
>
> You may wish for background to examine the IETF charters for Web
> Extensible Internet Registration Data Service (WEIRDS) from whence came
> RDAP.
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/wg/weirds/charters
>
> Best,
> -Carlton
>
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