[RDS-WHOIS2-RT] NextGen Registration Data Distribution Service

Fri Jul 7 14:11:39 UTC 2017

While I would be VERY happy to not touch this 
subject with a ten-foot pole since it overlaps 
with the PDP, I do not agree that we would need 
to define the purpose of a future WHOIS.

The question that was raised by Carlton is 
whether the current WHOIS protocol is fit for 
purpose. The CURRENT purpose, whether we like it 
or not or agree with it or not. The current WHOIS 
asks for name and contact information. We live in 
a word with IDN names and contact information. 
The current 7-bit protocol is not able to handle 
them. Therefore, it is not fit for purpose.

I agree that what SHOULD be in WHOIS is a 
different question. If the answer ends up being 
almost nothing, then perhaps the current protocol 
would be fit for that. But that is NOT what we are here to decide.

Alan

At 07/07/2017 04:36 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:

>The problem about asking this question is that 
>to do so, we would first have to define the 
>purpose of Whois and that is a bees nest because 
>everyone only feels his part of the elephant in the darkness on that topic.
>
>Not saying that we shouldn't do it anyway, but 
>it would complicate our work significantly.
>
>Best,
>
>Volker
>
>Am 06.07.2017 um 17:37 schrieb Alan Greenberg:
>>I am less sure than Carlton that we MUST 
>>discuss this. I have no problem with discussing 
>>whether the current WHOIS protocol is fit for 
>>purpose, but it better be a pretty short 
>>discussion! If anyone has a good argument why 
>>it IS fit for purpose, it should be shared pretty quickly.
>>
>>The inability of a 7-bit protocol to handle 
>>today's IDN world, and the inability to handle 
>>any level of 
>>authorization/authentication/gating (which is 
>>generally understood to be necessary to allow 
>>critical information to be collected but not 
>>universally displayed in support of privacy 
>>legislation) makes the answer pretty clear. And 
>>as the charter Carlton points to indicates, 
>>this has been clear for quite some time.
>>
>>This is a REVIEW team. I believe it is well 
>>beyond our scope to debate whether the current 
>>protocol can be modified to meet new needs, to 
>>specify or design a replacement or to review 
>>possible replacements. And I have little 
>>interest in debating whether any new protocol 
>>should be called WHOIS (pretending it is the 
>>same), WHOIS-Mark-2, RDAP, WEIRDS, WIERDS or Betelgeuse.
>>
>>Alan
>>
>>
>>At 05/07/2017 10:08 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote:
>>
>>>Dear All:
>>>I believe this review will have to answer the 
>>>question as to whether the current WHOIS 
>>>protocol is fit to purpose in a evolved DNS 
>>>environment in one or other job stream.  Some 
>>>may recall that the RDAP is being proposed as a fit and proper replacement.
>>>
>>>You may wish for background to examine the 
>>>IETF charters for Web Extensible Internet 
>>>Registration Data Service (WEIRDS) from whence came RDAP.
>>>
>>><https://tools.ietf.org/wg/weirds/charters>https://tools.ietf.org/wg/weirds/charters
>>>
>>>Best,
>>>-Carlton
>>>
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