[RDS-WHOIS2-RT] NextGen Registration Data Distribution Service

Fri Jul 7 14:14:42 UTC 2017

Agreed. We need to be really careful we do not go 
down this rat hole! (for non-English speakers, 
Definition #2 from 
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rat-hole 
- "To digress in an extensive way. To divert the 
conversation to a topic that is not only 
unrelated to the topic at hand, but a topic that 
will likely have no immediate resolution either.")

Alan

At 07/07/2017 08:48 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:

>While I agree that purpose is a central question 
>and we will not be able to deal with data 
>protection issues until we cut that gordian 
>knot, since we just spent weeks on it in RDS I 
>doubt we should attempt it in the Who2 review.
>
>I think if we stick to a very tight 
>interpretation of the last review's 
>recommendations, and sail very tight to the 
>wind, we can get through this in a reasonable time.
>
>Stephanie
>
>On 2017-07-07 04:36, Volker Greimann wrote:
>>
>>The problem about asking this question is that 
>>to do so, we would first have to define the 
>>purpose of Whois and that is a bees nest 
>>because everyone only feels his part of the 
>>elephant in the darkness on that topic.
>>
>>Not saying that we shouldn't do it anyway, but 
>>it would complicate our work significantly.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Volker
>>
>>Am 06.07.2017 um 17:37 schrieb Alan Greenberg:
>>>I am less sure than Carlton that we MUST 
>>>discuss this. I have no problem with 
>>>discussing whether the current WHOIS protocol 
>>>is fit for purpose, but it better be a pretty 
>>>short discussion! If anyone has a good 
>>>argument why it IS fit for purpose, it should be shared pretty quickly.
>>>
>>>The inability of a 7-bit protocol to handle 
>>>today's IDN world, and the inability to handle 
>>>any level of 
>>>authorization/authentication/gating (which is 
>>>generally understood to be necessary to allow 
>>>critical information to be collected but not 
>>>universally displayed in support of privacy 
>>>legislation) makes the answer pretty clear. 
>>>And as the charter Carlton points to 
>>>indicates, this has been clear for quite some time.
>>>
>>>This is a REVIEW team. I believe it is well 
>>>beyond our scope to debate whether the current 
>>>protocol can be modified to meet new needs, to 
>>>specify or design a replacement or to review 
>>>possible replacements. And I have little 
>>>interest in debating whether any new protocol 
>>>should be called WHOIS (pretending it is the 
>>>same), WHOIS-Mark-2, RDAP, WEIRDS, WIERDS or Betelgeuse.
>>>
>>>Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>At 05/07/2017 10:08 AM, Carlton Samuels wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dear All:
>>>>I believe this review will have to answer the 
>>>>question as to whether the current WHOIS 
>>>>protocol is fit to purpose in a evolved DNS 
>>>>environment in one or other job stream.  Some 
>>>>may recall that the RDAP is being proposed as a fit and proper replacement.
>>>>
>>>>You may wish for background to examine the 
>>>>IETF charters for Web Extensible Internet 
>>>>Registration Data Service (WEIRDS) from whence came RDAP.
>>>>
>>>><https://tools.ietf.org/wg/weirds/charters>https://tools.ietf.org/wg/weirds/charters
>>>>
>>>>Best,
>>>>-Carlton
>>>>
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