[RDS-WHOIS2-RT] ICANN Proposal to adjust scope of RDS-WHOIS2-RT

Thu May 17 13:09:39 UTC 2018

I think this raises a bylaws point. This is a review mandated by the Bylaws, which even set a time frame for its regular occurrence. Now putting it up for Community discussion whether we're having this review, whether it should change its scope or whether it should stop for a while, essentially puts the bylaws requirement up for Community discussion. We as individuals may serve "at the pleasure of the community" but the process itself is not at the disposal of any public consultation, so I believe this whole exercise is legally on not very sound footing.

And this idea that we then agree or disagree with the outcome of the public consultation seems courageous to me, in the "Yes Minister" sense – so what is the point of the exercise if we then just get to ignore the Community view if we so please? To help us make an informed decision on options that we never thought of ourselves or were invited to have a say in in the first place but that someone has benevolently designed in an effort to reduce our workload? I think we should participate in the webinar (we may be the only ones given that other RDS/WHOIS mess) and explain this.

But I should be working on surveys instead of commenting on this mess… that much for workload reduction.

Best regards
Cathrin

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Subject: Re: [RDS-WHOIS2-RT] ICANN Proposal to adjust scope of RDS-WHOIS2-RT

Dear Alan,

I think we should continue our work as planned.

I agree with Chris that the RT should respond to the call to the comments ASAP.

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 8:54 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>> wrote:
I presume then that you and others are willing to keep working and meet our deadline of a draft report at or soon after the July F2F.

Alan

At 16/05/2018 10:23 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:

Hi Alan,

I absolutely agree that it is strange that ICANN seems to want to pause this without consulting us first. But as this is the cards we have been dealt, we need to figure out how to play them and in this case I vote for following the community consensus, if any.

As for Monday, it is a public holiday that I will be travelling on.

Best,

Volker

Am 16.05.2018 um 16:08 schrieb Alan Greenberg:

Volker,

Of course we serve at the pleasure of the community.

The question is process and timing. That this was done with no consultation with us, I find strange. But the really difficult part is that we are being told to keep on working (and I have confirmed that this is the intent) with a target of having a draft report complete just after the July F2F, and at THAT point, we may be told to scrap part of what we have been working on between now an then, or put the entire project on hold for some indeterminate time, and when it resumes it may be with a different team and much of the work will have to be redone.

We will discuss this further at the Monday meeting, and for those who will not be there, your input is appreciated ahead of time.

Susan has suggested that we go back to our appointing groups for their input.

Alan

At 16/05/2018 06:03 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:

We serve at the pleasure of

the community, so I would not object to any

consensus position either way. While a) is the most logical choice,

preserving most of our work efforts so far, the others also have some

merit due to the changes ahead. And as ICANN has just thrown another

curve-ball in the form of the proposed temporary specification, more

change seems to be on the horizon, which could further outdate our work

product.

Best,

Volker

Am 16.05.2018 um 04:30 schrieb Alan Greenberg:

> I call your attention to a Public Comment (PC) launched yesterday

> asking for input on alternatives to alter the RDS-WHOIS2-RT Scope

and

> plans (as well possible changes to the not yet started ATRT3) -

>

<https://www.icann.org/public-comments/specific-reviews-short-term-timeline-2018-05-14-en>

https://www.icann.org/public-comments/specific-reviews-short-term-timeline-2018-05-14-en<https://www.icann.org/public-comments/specific-reviews-short-term-timeline-2018-05-14-en>

.<https://www.icann.org/public-comments/specific-reviews-short-term-timeline-2018-05-14-en>

>

> I proposes three possible scenarios for our RT:

>

> a) Proceeds as planned;

>

> b) reduce scope to just an analysis of the WHOIS1-RT

Recommendations;

>

> c) pause the review entirely for some as yet to be determined time.

>

> If recommended by the community, b) and c) would require our

> agreement. The implications of a community recommendation that we

> refused to agree with are not known. If there is a pause, it is not

> clear when the unpause would happen and to what extent it would be

the

> same team moving forward.

>

> The PC ends on 06 July 2018 and the report on input received is due

on

> 23 July 2018, a few days before we are currently planning to meet in

> Brussels to close-to-finalize our report.

>

> Although the PC was issues yesterday, neither I nor Susan and

Cathrin

> had any prior knowledge of it and in fact we only heard of it

today.

>

> We have initiated discussions with MSSI on exactly what this means

and

> will get back when I have a better understanding.

>

> Alan

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