[RDS-WHOIS2-RT] ICANN Proposal to adjust scope of RDS-WHOIS2-RT

Thu May 17 14:57:31 UTC 2018

I don't think it is a Bylaws problem because they 
do add that we have to agree. Although I suspect 
we would agree, although with a lot of bad 
feelings, but I did ask Larisa what wuld happen 
if we did NOT agree. Would we still have funding 
and support to continue? And she said they had not thought about that...

I agree that this is a diversion that we could 
have done without and it will take resources, at 
least at the leadership level.

Alan

At 17/05/2018 09:09 AM, Cathrin.BAUER-BULST at ec.europa.eu wrote:
>I think this raises a bylaws point. This is a 
>review mandated by the Bylaws, which even set a 
>time frame for its regular occurrence. Now 
>putting it up for Community discussion whether 
>we're having this review, whether it should 
>change its scope or whether it should stop for a 
>while, essentially puts the bylaws requirement 
>up for Community discussion. We as individuals 
>may serve "at the pleasure of the community" but 
>the process itself is not at the disposal of any 
>public consultation, so I believe this whole 
>exercise is legally on not very sound footing.
>
>And this idea that we then agree or disagree 
>with the outcome of the public consultation 
>seems courageous to me, in the "Yes Minister" 
>sense – so what is the point off the exercise if 
>we then just get to ignore the Community view if 
>we so please? To help us make an informed 
>decision on options that we never thought of 
>ourselves or were invited to have a say in in 
>the first place but that someone has 
>benevolently designed in an effort to reduce our 
>workload? I think we should participate in the 
>webinar (we may be the only ones given that 
>other RDS/WHOIS mess) and explain this.
>
>But I should be working on surveys instead of 
>commenting on this mess
 that much for workload reduction.
>
>Best regards
>Cathrin
>
>
>
>From: RDS-WHOIS2-RT 
>[mailto:rds-whois2-rt-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Dmitry Belyavsky
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 11:25 AM
>To: Alan Greenberg
>Cc: RDS WHOIS2-RT List
>Subject: Re: [RDS-WHOIS2-RT] ICANN Proposal to adjust scope of RDS-WHOIS2-RT
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>Dear Alan,
>
>I think we should continue our work as planned.
>
>I agree with Chris that the RT should respond to 
>the call to the comments ASAP.
>
>On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 8:54 PM, Alan Greenberg 
><<mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
>I presume then that you and others are willing 
>to keep working and meet our deadline of a draft 
>report at or soon after the July F2F.
>
>Alan
>
>
>At 16/05/2018 10:23 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:
>
>
>Hi Alan,
>
>I absolutely agree that it is strange that ICANN 
>seems to want to pause this without consulting 
>us first. But as this is the cards we have been 
>dealt, we need to figure out how to play them 
>and in this case I vote for following the community consensus, if any.
>
>As for Monday, it is a public holiday that I will be travelling on.
>
>Best,
>
>Volker
>
>Am 16.05.2018 um 16:08 schrieb Alan Greenberg:
>
>Volker,
>
>Of course we serve at the pleasure of the community.
>
>The question is process and timing. That this 
>was done with no consultation with us, I find 
>strange. But the really difficult part is that 
>we are being told to keep on working (and I have 
>confirmed that this is the intent) with a target 
>of having a draft report complete just after the 
>July F2F, and at THAT point, we may be told to 
>scrap part of what we have been working on 
>between now an then, or put the entire project 
>on hold for some indeterminate time, and when it 
>resumes it may be with a different team and much 
>of the work will have to be redone.
>
>We will discuss this further at the Monday 
>meeting, and for those who will not be there, 
>your input is appreciated ahead of time.
>
>Susan has suggested that we go back to our appointing groups for their input.
>
>Alan
>
>
>
>
>At 16/05/2018 06:03 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>We serve at the pleasure of
>
>the community, so I would not object to any
>
>consensus position either way. While a) is the most logical choice,
>
>preserving most of our work efforts so far, the others also have some
>
>merit due to the changes ahead. And as ICANN has just thrown another
>
>curve-ball in the form of the proposed temporary specification, more
>
>change seems to be on the horizon, which could further outdate our work
>
>product.
>
>
>
>Best,
>
>
>
>Volker
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>
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>
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>Am 16.05.2018 um 04:30 schrieb Alan Greenberg:
>
> > I call your attention to a Public Comment (PC) launched yesterday
>
> > asking for input on alternatives to alter the RDS-WHOIS2-RT Scope
>
>and
>
> > plans (as well possible changes to the not yet started ATRT3) -
>
> >
>
>
>
>
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><https://www.icann.org/public-comments/specific-reviews-short-term-timeline-2018-05-14-en>https://www.icann.org/public-comments/specific-reviews-short-term-timeline-2018-05-14-en
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><https://www.icann.org/public-comments/specific-reviews-short-term-timeline-2018-05-14-en>.
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> >
>
> > I proposes three possible scenarios for our RT:
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> >
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> > a) Proceeds as planned;
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> >
>
> > b) reduce scope to just an analysis of the WHOIS1-RT
>
>Recommendations;
>
> >
>
> > c) pause the review entirely for some as yet to be determined time.
>
> >
>
> > If recommended by the community, b) and c) would require our
>
> > agreement. The implications of a community recommendation that we
>
> > refused to agree with are not known. If there is a pause, it is not
>
> > clear when the unpause would happen and to what extent it would be
>
>the
>
> > same team moving forward.
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> >
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> > The PC ends on 06 July 2018 and the report on input received is due
>
>on
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> > 23 July 2018, a few days before we are currently planning to meet in
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> > Brussels to close-to-finalize our report.
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> >
>
> > Although the PC was issues yesterday, neither I nor Susan and
>
>Cathrin
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> > had any prior knowledge of it and in fact we only heard of it
>
>today.
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> >
>
> > We have initiated discussions with MSSI on exactly what this means
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>and
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> > will get back when I have a better understanding.
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> >
>
> > Alan
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> >
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