[technology taskforce] Fwd: AW: [EURO-Discuss] Zoom Structural Vulnerability Discovered
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
ocl at gih.com
Wed Jul 10 18:32:25 UTC 2019
Thanks Judith. You know, in these matters there is often some hype that
makes it bigger than what it actually is, so I'd rather receive good,
quality advice on this, rather than read the hyperbolic debates on the
Internet.
Kindest regards,
Olivier
On 10/07/2019 20:26, Judith Hellerstein wrote:
>
> HI Olivier,
>
> OK will write a note to the Tech team and ask them to do exactly
> that. People are just coming back from Vacations so it is a bit
> slow. I know I just got last night
>
> Best,
>
> Judith
>
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> On 7/10/2019 7:22 PM, Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> discussions are heating up on the topic of Zoom both in NCSG mailing
>> list, and on the EURALO discuss mailing list. Isn't this issue more
>> urgent than waiting for a future TTF call, the date of which is, at
>> present, not even set?
>> At least a call from the TTF to ICANN Tech Team to write a Blog of
>> what their risk assessment is, with regards to this conferencing
>> technology? In the meantime, conversations about this are springing
>> up on several other mailing lists...
>> Kindest regards,
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: AW: [EURO-Discuss] Zoom Structural Vulnerability Discovered
>> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:12:57 +0000
>> From: Mühlberg, Annette <annette.muehlberg at verdi.de>
>> To: Jean-Jacques Subrenat <jjs at dyalog.net>,
>> ncsg-discuss at listserv.syr.edu <ncsg-discuss at listserv.syr.edu>, Paul
>> Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>, EURALO LIST
>> <euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
>> <ocl at gih.com>, maureen.hilyard at gmail.com <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> +1 for JJS: set up a specifications sheet for a desirable
>> conferencing tool, based on needs expressed by the multi-stakeholder
>> community, and publish that as a tender. Offers received could then
>> be reviewed not only by Staff, but in consultation with ACs and SOs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Such needs include data privacy, technical stability and preferably
>> open standards.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Annette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ***
>>
>> *Annette Mühlberg *
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:*EURO-Discuss <euro-discuss-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Im
>> Auftrag von *Jean-Jacques Subrenat
>> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 10. Juli 2019 15:22
>> *An:* ncsg-discuss at listserv.syr.edu; Paul Rosenzweig
>> <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>; EURALO LIST
>> <euro-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
>> <ocl at gih.com>; maureen.hilyard at gmail.com
>> *Betreff:* Re: [EURO-Discuss] Zoom Structural Vulnerability Discovered
>>
>>
>>
>> First, a remark: for Adobe, Zoom or other tool providers, ICANN may
>> not be the single largest client, but it is certainly a significant
>> one owing to its nature (quasi-regulatory, multi-stakeholder, some
>> parts geared to non-commercial users).
>>
>>
>>
>> Then, a recommendation to Chairs of ACs and SOs: ICANN Board and CEO
>> could be requested to set up a specifications sheet for a desirable
>> conferencing tool, based on needs expressed by the multi-stakeholder
>> community, and publish that as a tender. Offers received could then
>> be reviewed not only by Staff, but in consultation with ACs and SOs.
>>
>>
>>
>> This would get us closer to what we, collectively, consider as the
>> appropriate tool for the numerous conference calls held throughout ICANN.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jean-Jacques Subrenat.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 10 juillet 2019 à 14:46:20, Paul Rosenzweig
>> (paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>> <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>) a écrit:
>>
>> This is assuredly right. The change from Adobe to Zoom may, or
>> may not, have been right for ICANN and for this group for any
>> number of reasons ranging from cost, to security, to scalability
>> and utility. But let’s not romanticize Adobe. They are not a
>> terribly secure platform generically. As James said, the Zoom
>> response is poor – but we can’t hang that around the neck of
>> ICANN org.
>>
>>
>>
>> P
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Rosenzweig
>>
>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>> <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>
>>
>> O: +1 (202) 547-0660
>>
>> M: +1 (202) 329-9650
>>
>> VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>>
>> www.redbranchconsulting.com
>> <https://smex-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.redbranchconsulting.com&umid=c229a495-2a7d-4cae-9bf7-9903622d5c2e&auth=4e1e2e6e47336e7e6bbb545ae21187b18d0da0ad-0f83b2fc00a6214e49105ca52e5410a6110e8337>
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>> My PGP Key:
>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> *From:*NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>> *On Behalf Of *James Gannon
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 10, 2019 12:52 AM
>> *To:* NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>> *Subject:* Re: Zoom Structural Vulnerability Discovered
>>
>>
>>
>> Just want to call out that Adobe has likely the worst reputation
>> in the entire tech industry when it comes to security, I really
>> would not hold them out as either prompt or without serious
>> issues (I believe they still hold the record for number of CVSS
>> 9+ vulns).
>>
>> Zooms response is poor I agree, but on a data driven comparison
>> it is a far more secure platform.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>> on behalf of Ayden
>> Férdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM <mailto:icann at FERDELINE.COM>>
>> *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM
>> <mailto:icann at FERDELINE.COM>>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, 9 July 2019 at 14:13
>> *To: *"NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>"
>> <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>>
>> *Subject: *Re: Zoom Structural Vulnerability Discovered
>>
>>
>>
>> That is true, but note that this security researcher notified
>> Zoom of the exploit and they were in no rush to repair it. Look
>> at the timeline in the Medium post. They only sought to fix it
>> after the vulnerability drew media attention.
>>
>>
>>
>> Adobe Connect was not perfect but it met our needs and the
>> occasional security issues that arose were promptly fixed by
>> Adobe and never as serious as this one!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 18:07, Adeel Sadiq
>> <11beeasadiq at seecs.edu.pk <mailto:11beeasadiq at seecs.edu.pk>> wrote:
>>
>> Speaking from a technical perspective, no software is perfect
>> or bug-free. Its only a matter of time a loophole is found
>> and exploited and eventually patched up. If you think Adobe
>> Connect or ezTalks were/are free of these architectural
>> issues, think again! That's the way we technical community do
>> things.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Adeel
>>
>> Pakistan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 1:37 AM Ayden Férdeline
>> <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately, uninstalling the application does not
>> rectify the situation, due to poor architecture
>> (acknowledged by Zoom on their blog today). They are
>> working on a fix, now that public scrutiny demands one.
>> So disappointing that ICANN has put us in this terrible
>> situation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 16:15, Vaibhav Aggarwal, Catalyst
>> & Group CEO <va at BLADEBRAINS.COM
>> <mailto:va at BLADEBRAINS.COM>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for this. Till the next Update, I have removed
>> the Zoom For Mac Client with immediate effect.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Vaibhav Aggarwal
>>
>> New Delhi
>>
>> VaibhavAggarwal.com <http://VaibhavAggarwal.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Michael Karanicolas
>> <mkaranicolas at GMAIL.COM
>> <mailto:mkaranicolas at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey - remember when ICANN switched everyone from
>> Adobe over to Zoom as a way of enhancing
>> information security and data privacy?
>>
>>
>>
>> "A vulnerability in the Mac Zoom Client allows
>> any malicious website to enable your camera
>> without your permission... This vulnerability
>> allows any website to forcibly join a user to a
>> Zoom call, with their video camera activated,
>> without the user's permission. On top of this,
>> this vulnerability would have allowed any webpage
>> to DOS (Denial of Service) a Mac by repeatedly
>> joining a user to an invalid call. Additionally,
>> if you’ve ever installed the Zoom client and then
>> uninstalled it, you still have a localhost web
>> server on your machine that will happily
>> re-install the Zoom client for you, without
>> requiring any user interaction on your behalf
>> besides visiting a webpage. This re-install
>> ‘feature’ continues to work to this day."
>>
>>
>>
>> Read more
>> here: https://medium.com/@jonathan.leitschuh/zoom-zero-day-4-million-webcams-maybe-an-rce-just-get-them-to-visit-your-website-ac75c83f4ef5
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