[tz] temporary timezone database home ...

[Dafydd Rhys-Jones]

Not a bad idea, but wouldn't there be a concern if the code is stored in a server in the United States?

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From: tz-bounces at iana.org [mailto:tz-bounces at iana.org] On Behalf Of David Zülke
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 3:39 AM
To: Alex Stapleton
Cc: tz at iana.org; Robert Elz
Subject: Re: [tz] temporary timezone database home ...

Not sure how it would change the workflow much. They could "own" the master repos e.g. on GitHub, push changes to it, accept change proposals via Pull Requests, and tag official releases whenever they see fit.

Git is great because of its distributed workflow. GitHub is great because it makes collaboration a breeze. Together they're a massive win.

David


On 07.10.2011, at 12:26, Alex Stapleton wrote:

> Content preview:  On 7 Oct 2011, at 10:37, David Zülke wrote: > Just an idea,
>    but shouldn't we maybe move the whole thing to GitHub or Bitbucket? > > Cloning
>    and maintaining copies will be a piece of cake then. > > David [...]
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> On 7 Oct 2011, at 10:37, David Zülke wrote:
> 
>> Just an idea, but shouldn't we maybe move the whole thing to GitHub or Bitbucket?
>> 
>> Cloning and maintaining copies will be a piece of cake then.
>> 
>> David
> 
> Personally I think it would ultimately be a good thing but it would change the workflow for Eggert and Olson a lot. And since they are the ones that do (did?) the bulk of the integration work from information provided on the mailing list it should probably be kicked off by one of them. Or whoever ends up taking over as maintainer in the future.
> 
> Of course there is technically very little stopping anyone from dumping all the code into a git repo and sending a link out.
> 
>> On 07.10.2011, at 06:47, Robert Elz wrote:
>> 
>>> First, I am assuming this copy of the list is actually functioning,
>>> (and I've just received jhawk's message which demonstrates that it is)
>>> I don't believe it has been used for actual messages before that one,
>>> but as ado has indicated that the list at elsie has been (for now
>>> anyway) terminated - and given the plan was to migrate from it eventually
>>> anyway, may never return, we can but hope this version of the list
>>> is functional.
>>> 
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>>> Don't send requests to me (or anyone else on the list) there's nothing I
>>> (or we) can do about it - and most certainly, do not send requests to the
>>> list itself asking to be removed.
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, there are probably a few people who were added to the elsie
>>> list since it was cloned at iana.org but there's nothing much we can do
>>> about that - if anyone is contacted by anyone who believes they should be
>>> on the list, but is no longer receiving messages, direct them to the iana
>>> website for list subscriptions.
>>> 
>>> Next, while elsie's ftp server is shut down, munnari.oz.au isn't, and the
>>> tz database & code remains available from here.   Further, I will not
>>> respond to requests from (almost) anyone to cease making those files
>>> available (including Arthur and Paul - but by all means feel free to try
>>> if you need to to satisfy some obligation to cease making the data
>>> available - I'll ignore you, but you will at least have used every reasonable
>>> effort...)
>>> 
>>> Second, regardless of this, the world's governments continue to adjust
>>> their view of their local timezones & summer time adjustments, so we
>>> need to continue updating the database (at least).   There are several
>>> updates that will be needed soon.
>>> 
>>> For now, until someone else volunteers, I'm prepared to make the updates,
>>> in much the same way that Arthur did, and then make new releases available
>>> from munnari's ftp server.  I suspect that it is unlikely that either Arthur
>>> or Paul will be able to assist much with this in the coming months, so
>>> I'm hoping that others will assist where possible.
>>> 
>>> For now, I'm aware of changes needed for Armenia, Fiji, Bolivia, Brazil,
>>> and of course, the changes that (might be) needed for Russia.  If there's
>>> anything else I missed, please let me know.
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, I don't have the sccs (or is it rcs or something these days)
>>> master files, so I won't be able to do quite the same job that Arthur did,
>>> but I can keep all versions so they can be checked into a version control
>>> system later.
>>> 
>>> It would be good if a few others, especially people in jurisdictions that
>>> tend not to simply bow down to US court rulings, would keep copies of the
>>> code and data, and make them publicly available via ftp or http (this
>>> is not of huge public interest, the resources needed to provide this
>>> service should not be very noticeable).
>>> 
>>> All I know of the lawsuit is what jhawk's message indicated - eventually
>>> I assume we'll find out what trademark or patent that someone believes is
>>> being infringed (a little hard to believe either, but who knows...)
>>> 
>>> The URL's of the current versions of the files from munnari.oz.au are ...
>>> 
>>> 	ftp://munnari.oz.au/pub/tzcode2011i.tar.gz
>>> 	ftp://munnari.oz.au/pub/tzdata2011k.tar.gz
>>> 
>>> and of course, the historical files (most versions that were ever previously
>>> released) are in ftp://munnari.oz.au/pub/oldtz/ 
>>> 
>>> kre
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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