[tz] Change Request: Europe/Kiev to Europe/Kyiv

Paul Ganssle paul.tz at ml.ganssle.io
Fri Apr 15 15:31:09 UTC 2022

Throwing out another option: it seems that at least Europe/Zaporozhye 
came directly from Shanks with no corroboration, and at least one of my 
Ukrainian colleagues expressed some skepticism that these regions even 
have a distinct time zone history, see this previous thread: 

I don't think we ever got any corroboration on the validity of these 
data. I certainly could never find anything about it. I seem to recall 
Andrew Paprocki filed some sort of freedom of information act request 
with the CIA for clarification, but I don't recall anything ever coming 
from that. If these are "phantom zones" we can quite possibly moot the 
question by merging them into Europe/Kyiv.


On 4/13/22 07:24, Oleksandr Leskiv via tz wrote:
> Hello everybody.
> As a native Ukrainian speaker, I do agree that "Europe/Uzhhorod" and 
> "Europe/Zaporizhzhia" do have a more correct version of 
> transliteration compared to "Europe/Uzhgorod" and "Europe/Zaporozhye".
> On the other hand, to my knowledge, Ukraine does not actively use 
> these timezones, as every town in Ukraine has the same UTC offset, 
> which is determined by the "Europe/Kyiv" timezone (formerly, 
> "Europe/Kiev").
> So in my opinion, these changes, while important, are not so urgent to 
> be made.
> Regarding Philip Paeps's comment about "the current conflict" - I 
> believe that this is not a correct term that should be for the 
> situation that has been happening between Ukraine and Russian 
> Federation lately.
> I do think that besides Ukraine, almost every country has qualified 
> this as Russo-Ukrainian War.
> Sincerely, Oleksandr.
> TakeUsEat.
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 5:59 AM Philip Paeps <philip at trouble.is> wrote:
>     On 2022-04-13 08:42:32 (+0800), Paul Eggert via tz wrote:
>     > On 4/11/22 11:49, Jonathan Leffler via tz wrote:
>     >> I agree that the time has probably come to make the switch,
>     leaving
>     >> the old
>     >> spelling as a backwards compatibility link.
>     >
>     > Yes, things have changed significantly since the last time I did a
>     > survey. Proposed patch attached, and installed into the development
>     > repository.
>     Thanks for (finally) making this change!
>     I would suggest some minor changes to the commentary though. 
>     Referring
>     to "the current conflict" will not age well.  Words like
>     "traditional"
>     and "popular" have unhelpful connotations which the word "common"
>     neatly
>     avoids.
>     I also wonder if it wouldn't be less disruptive to our users to take
>     this opportunity to also rename Europe/Uzhgorod and
>     Europe/Zaporozhye to
>     Europe/Uzhhorod and Europe/Zaporizhzhia at the same time...
>     Philip
>     -- 
>     Philip Paeps
>     Senior Reality Engineer
>     Alternative Enterprises
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