[UA-discuss] Domainers

[Dr. Ajay Data]

+1 we all doing our bit and it's significant

BTW, just as a side update, today I was speaker in GCCS ( Global Conference on Cyber Space ) "Indic languages for Internet Growth", and used this opportunity to talk about UASG, its mission and opportunity.

I encouraged everyone to Walk the Talk by having an IDN and put it on your visiting card, till them we are not acting just talking.

Thanks. 




On 23 November 2017 20:52:03 GMT+05:30, Ram Mohan <rmohan at afilias.info> wrote:
>Completely agree. This is not about any one group. This is about the
>collective volunteer effort and the ideals and principles underlying
>them.
>
>Consumers have a role. We should be thankful that the entire
>distributed
>eco system is working well, and that each stakeholder is playing their
>role, instead of being in an arbitrary system run by a confining
>collective..
>
>Ram
>
>On Nov 23, 2017 9:17 AM, "Rinalia Abdul Rahim"
><rinalia.abdulrahim at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> “to me the “significant contribution to IDNs” is not done by one or
>> another stakeholder like domainers, but by the volunteers who day
>after day
>> in this working group and elsewhere help developing the framework to
>> support Universal Acceptance, without which there will be no future
>for
>> IDNs.”
>>
>> +1 @ Roberto
>>
>> Rinalia
>>
>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 at 3:08 PM, Roberto Gaetano <
>> roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>> I basically agree on the fact that domaines do have a role in the
>>> ecosystem.
>>> Where I disagree is the statement that “IDNs would have been
>abandoned
>>> long ago if it was not for Domainers”.
>>> I chair the Board of Public Interest Registry, the manager of 4
>IDNs, and
>>> please rest assured that we would not change our current position,
>that is
>>> to hold on to our IDNs, whether or not the domainers will keep or
>drop
>>> their IDN portfolio.
>>> The reasons are very simple. The first one is that we were aware
>since
>>> the beginning that the IDNs would not have an easy rollout - we had
>already
>>> the experience of the Fast Track a few years ago. However, PIR
>thought (I
>>> was not yet on the Board at that time) that “it was the right thing
>to do”,
>>> even with some losses in the short and medium term. If the IDNs are
>a
>>> substantial investment for domainers, it should not be forgotten
>that they
>>> are a substantial investment for the registries as well, given the
>ICANN
>>> fees, the different hurdles of the ICANN process about associate
>code
>>> tables, and much more. The idea is that, sooner or later, preferably
>>> sooner, Universal Acceptance will be a fact, and we can expect at
>that time
>>> deployment of the IDNs to serve currently poorly served communities.
>I was
>>> on the ICANN Board when the basic decisions were made about the
>IDNs,
>>> including opening a “fast track” for IDNs related to a single
>country, and
>>> I do not regret for a single minute having been an advocate for
>these
>>> decisions, in spite of what for the time being looks like a poor
>result.
>>> There is also another simple reason, incidentally. Even if we wanted
>to
>>> walk away from the IDNs (which PIR does not want to do) there will
>be
>>> contractual issues with ICANN. So even those registries who would
>like to
>>> punt the ball in case domainers would not keep their investment -
>and I do
>>> repeat that PIR is not one of those - might have other problems.
>>> It is true that only registries who have other (i.e.
>non-IDN-related)
>>> revenues can afford to keep their TLDs, but this does not change the
>issue
>>> about domainers, because I do not think that their relatively modest
>>> financial contribution can be the deciding factor.
>>> I would also like to make a final comment: to me the “significant
>>> contribution to IDNs” is not done by one or another stakeholder like
>>> domainers, but by the volunteers who day after day in this working
>group
>>> and elsewhere help developing the framework to support Universal
>>> Acceptance, without which there will be no future for IDNs.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Roberto
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 Nov 2017, at 16:02, Andre Schappo <A.Schappo at lboro.ac.uk>
>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Would IDNs even exist today if it was not for Domainers? I suspect
>that
>>> IDNs would have been abandoned long ago if it was not for Domainers.
>>>
>>> I believe that Domainers are the majority holders of IDNs. The
>dependency
>>> on Domainers is well emphasised in the thread http://www.idnforums.
>>> com/forums/35654-number-of-%E3%82%B3%E3%83%A0-registrations-takes-a-
>>> nosedive.html
>>>
>>> I think the international community should be acknowledging and
>thanking
>>> Domainers for their significant contribution to IDNs.
>>>
>>> André Schappo
>>>
>>>
>>>

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