[UA-discuss] [EXTERNAL] Re: UASG 2021 Elections - Process and Timeline

Thu Feb 18 00:33:45 UTC 2021

Who is being given a ballot? Any email registered on the list?

On 02/17/2021 17:28, Mark Svancarek (CELA) via UA-discuss wrote:
>
> Also a good point!  Voters should be active enough in the community to 
> be informed about the bona fides of candidates.  Otherwise they are 
> casting an uninformed vote based on who-knows-what basis.
>
> Still – I think any materials provided to bolster a candidacy are 
> helpful and good.
>
> *From:* Dušan Stojičević <dusan at dukes.in.rs>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2021 11:17 AM
> *To:* Mark Svancarek (CELA) <marksv at microsoft.com>; 'Mike Hemp' 
> <mikehamp1971 at mail.com>; 'Charles 'chaals' (McCathie) Nevile' 
> <chaals at yandex.ru>
> *Cc:* ua-discuss at icann.org
> *Subject:* RE: [UA-discuss] [EXTERNAL] Re: UASG 2021 Elections - 
> Process and Timeline
>
> -1
>
> If candidate is not already known for his UA work, for me it is 
> irrelevant what he have to say about how he and/or his org are 
> advancing in UA.
>
> My two cents,
>
> Dusan
>
> *From:* UA-discuss [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org 
> <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Mark Svancarek 
> (CELA) via UA-discuss
> *Sent:* 16. фебруар 2021. 19:09
> *To:* Mike Hemp <mikehamp1971 at mail.com 
> <mailto:mikehamp1971 at mail.com>>; Charles 'chaals' (McCathie) Nevile 
> <chaals at yandex.ru <mailto:chaals at yandex.ru>>
> *Cc:* ua-discuss at icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [UA-discuss] [EXTERNAL] Re: UASG 2021 Elections - 
> Process and Timeline
>
> +1 Mike – candidates SHOULD be able to describe how they and/or their 
> organizations are advancing UA.
>
> *From:* UA-discuss <ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org 
> <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org>> *On Behalf Of *Mike Hemp
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2021 4:56 AM
> *To:* Charles 'chaals' (McCathie) Nevile <chaals at yandex.ru 
> <mailto:chaals at yandex.ru>>
> *Cc:* ua-discuss at icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [UA-discuss] UASG 2021 Elections - Process 
> and Timeline
>
> Thank you Chaals , Jim, MO and everyone .
>
> Jim +1
>
> change when needed. dont make us learn new proceses which are used 
> once in two years. I ok for what has worked for us till now.
>
> more importantly, people in leadership should tell what they have done 
> to execute UA implementation in the there own 
> organisation-helped-moviated others. When they nominate they must 
> mention this.  We need people who are UA practitioners like people 
> from Microsoft, Gmail, XgenPlus, Apple, Postfix and others.
>
> Best
>
> Mike
>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 08, 2021 at 11:47 AM
> *From:* "Charles 'chaals' (McCathie) Nevile" <chaals at yandex.ru 
> <mailto:chaals at yandex.ru>>
> *To:* ua-discuss at icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [UA-discuss] UASG 2021 Elections - Process and Timeline
>
> Thank you Mo, Jim.
>
> I have a preference for Meek STV rather than Scottish STV, but I support
> all the suggestions Jim made - in particular his "curious option" to
> include allowing a vote for "only 2 vice-chairs".
>
> cheers
>
> Chaals
>
> On Sun, 07 Feb 2021 19:41:19 +1100, Jim DeLaHunt <list+uasg at jdlh.com 
> <mailto:list+uasg at jdlh.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Mo:
> > Thank you for sending this out. It's good that we have a clearly
> > stated election process, and that the process be clear before we
> > add the specific candidates and opinions about which candidates to
> > choose.
> >
> >
> > I have some suggestions about the elections process as stated in
> > the document you sent, 2021 UASG Election Process and Timeline
> > 2021-02-04.pdf , section "2021 UASG Election Process".
> > 1. The process does not state that how many Chairs and how many
> > Vice-Chairs are to be elected. Yes, the "UASG Structure" above
> > says that these numbers are "1" and "2-3" respectively. Still,
> > for clarity it seems good to state what the purpose of the
> > process is. I suggest adding an item before old #1, reading
> > something like, "The election will elect one Chair and [2-3
> > Vice-Chairs]".
> >
> > 2. The process does not state what kind of votes are cast and
> > what method is used to count votes. I support using the same
> > methods as last year, as described in
> > 
> <https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Call-for-Nominations.pdf 
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fuasg.tech%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F02%2FCall-for-Nominations.pdf&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C959ed45bed5343d69e5b08d8d3789276%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637491864800412606%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=oRNdejKflzrDv6jzD%2FbRaV%2FGH3lda3SIL7Al2l9dZ10%3D&reserved=0>>,
> > namely preferential ballots, counted with Instant Runoff Voting
> > for the single Chair, and Scottish STV for the 2-3 Vice-Chairs.
> > These methods are among the best ways to elect single and
> > multiple winners for a group like UASG. I suggest adding between
> > old #5 and #6, something like: "For the single Chair position,
> > voters will cast preferential ballots ranking their choices, and
> > the counting method will be Instant Runoff Voting
> > <https://www.opavote.com/methods/instant-runoff-voting 
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.opavote.com%2Fmethods%2Finstant-runoff-voting&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C959ed45bed5343d69e5b08d8d3789276%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637491864800412606%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=471MZlqU4kqm6oNJOwPtWVNjhlhV4TaXrNwJbChZ504%3D&reserved=0>>",
> > and "For the 2-3 Vice-Chair positions, voters will cast
> > preferential ballots ranking their choices among all candidates,
> > and the counting method used will be Scottish STV
> > 
> <https://www.opavote.com/methods/single-transferable-vote#scottish-stv 
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> >
> > 3. The process does not define how we will decide whether to
> > elect 2 or 3 Vice-Chairs. There are several rules which we could
> > use. We should state what rule we will follow. I suggest adding
> > it as part of the entry for the Vice-Chair method above. Some
> > rules we could use:
> >
> > 1. If there are 1, 2, or 3 candidates for Vice-Chair, they will
> > all be elected by acclamation and they will not be voted on.
> > 2. If there are more than 3 candidates for Vice-Chair, they
> > shall be voted on and 3 shall be elected.
> >
> > 3. If there are more than 3 candidates for Vice-Chair, they
> > shall be voted on, and an option "Only 2 Vice-Chairs" shall be
> > added to the ballot. Voters may rank "Only 2 Vice-Chairs" the
> > same way as any other candidate. The top two candidates shall
> > be elected. If the option "Only 2 Vice-Chairs" is among the
> > top three finishers, there shall only be two Vice-Chairs,
> > otherwise, there shall be three Vice-Chairs, and the
> > third-place candidate shall also be elected. [Note: this
> > curious option means that voters who think some candidates are
> > unsatisfactory, and a Vice-Chair seat should be left empty
> > rather than be filled by those candidates, may rank "Only 2
> > Vice-Chairs" above the unsatisfactory candidates, and the
> > counting will respect their wish to the extent possible.]
> >
> > 4. I have no problem with the diversity intent of rule # 4, but I
> > think it is a mistake to enforce this at the nomination stage.
> > Suppose there are two candidates in one organization, "M. Good"
> > and "M. Bad". Rule #4 says that M. Bad can prevent voters from
> > supporting M. Good by submitting their own self-nomination
> > first! Instead I suggest that we implement the rule at the
> > vote-counting stage of the Vice-Chair election. As soon as a
> > candidate is elected during the counting process, we disqualify
> > all other candidates from the same organization or company, and
> > continue (or restart) the counting process. This lets voters,
> > not nominators, choose whether to support "M. Good" or "M. Bad".
> > There is no need for this diversity rule in the Chair election,
> > because only one Chair is elected. I suggest a rule about
> > eliminating Vice-Chair candidates during vote-counting be added,
> > and old rule #4 be deleted.
> >
> > 5. Rule #1 does not clearly say that sock-puppets are forbidden.
> > It should. By saying "the subscribers… are… the electorate", it
> > implies that email addresses, not natural people, are the
> > electorate. I suggest rewording it to say, "The electorate
> > consists of the natural persons subscribed to the UA-Discuss
> > mailing list on [the date of record for the electorate]. Each
> > person may cast at most one ballot. Sock puppets are forbidden."
> > 6. Rule #8 addresses sock puppets as well. Move it to
> > right after
> > rule #1.
> >
> > 7. Rule #1 (and the Election Timeline below) are not clear about
> > the time at which the UASG-Discuss subscriber list creates the
> > electorate. Rule #1 says "the date of announcing the election".
> > But the Election Timeline puts the label "Announcing the
> > starting of the elections" onto a 10-day period. I suggest
> > adding a separate entry to the timeline, labelled something like
> > "Date and time of record for the electorate". Make it a specific
> > UTC time; dates (interpreted with time zones) can span 48 hours.
> > 8. Rule #6 says the election process will be managed by a
> > specialised elections service provider. Who? Why not just say
> > Opavote? And it says, "the final results will be audited and
> > confirmed." How? By whom?
> >
> > 9. I suggest adding a sentence to Rule #6. "A detailed report of
> > the vote counting steps, along with anonymised raw ballot data,
> > shall be published, for transparency and for community
> > auditing." Opavote provides reports and ballot data as a normal
> > part of its service.
> >
> > Also, a few comments about the Election Timeline:
> >
> >
> > 1. Dates without times or time zones are ambiguous in a global
> > community. I suggest saying "all dates are UTC", or adding UTC
> > times to each date.
> >
> > 2. The voting period should have times and time zones added;
> > dates alone are too ambiguous. If the election starts at 00:00 5
> > March UTC and ends at 23:59 15 March UTC, that is 11 days, not
> > 10. If it starts on 5 March anywhere in the world, and ends on
> > 15 March anywhere in the world, that is 12 days (00:00 5 March
> > UTC-13:00 to 23:59 15 March UTC+12:00). Only if the election
> > period is defined as a specific time and time zone can it be
> > unambiguously 10 days. The voting period in days should match
> > the duration between start and end times.
> >
> > 3. Suggest adding a timeline entry, "Date and time of record for
> > the electorate". I would recommend it being the same time as the
> > self-nomination period begins, or when the list of candidates is
> > announced. There's a risk of a candidate packing the UA-Discuss
> > with their supporters. The choice of date and time of record can
> > encourage or discourage this.
> >
> > I hope this is helpful. Can you tell I am interested in electoral
> > process?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > —Jim DeLaHunt, Vancouver, Canada
> >
> > On 2021-02-04 12:37, Mohamed Elbashir
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Dear UA
> >> Community,
> >>
> >>
> >> Find
> >> attached the UASG 2021 elections process and timeline,
> >> it will be published on the UASG.tech website.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank
> >> you!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >> Mohamed
> >> (Mo) Elbashir
> >>
> >>
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