[vip] FW: ICANN News Alert -- IDN Variant Issues Project: Draft Integrated Issues Report

Fri Jan 6 12:38:52 UTC 2012

Dennis,

one specific action that should be possible to do as a courtesy to the 
people on the VIP list:
Circulate the Word version of the final report.

Ideally, this would be a redline from the Dec 6 version (the product of 
diffing the previous version with the current version, not a changelog). 
But a Word version would allow others to do the diff step.

Since none outside of the VIP list have seen the Dec 6 version, it is 
only the VIP list that would be able to use such a version.

                        Harald

On 01/06/2012 11:51 AM, Dennis Jennings wrote:
> Patrick,
>
> I understand your frustration.
>
> May I suggest that you send your comments on the version of the 
> document that you studied to the public comment forum, with an 
> introductory note saying that your comments are based on an earlier 
> version of the draft and that regrettably you do not have time to 
> review the final draft document.
>
> That would be very helpful.
>
> Many thanks
> Dennis
>
> On 06/01/2012 10:33, Patrik Fältström wrote:
>> Dennis,
>>
>> Thanks for the response.
>>
>> I do though not know what I should do with my comments.
>>
>> They are not part of the public comment period, so no one know about 
>> them part from people on the VIP list.
>>
>> I have no idea what the differences are between the two versions of 
>> the documents.
>>
>> I have no idea in the form of feedback on what you felt about my 
>> comments. Maybe you for example ignored some because you felt I was 
>> completely wrong, some because you did not understand them. I do not 
>> know.
>>
>> Speaking into /dev/null is not very fun.
>>
>> Specifically for a very long document like this.
>>
>> And no, I do not have time to go through and reverse engineer your 
>> thinking of my comments based on the (unknown) differences between 
>> the two documents. I simply do not have time.
>>
>> So, what should I do? Send in the version of the document published 
>> on Dec 3 and my comments into the public comment period, and explain 
>> what happened, and that I do not have time to look at the comments 
>> compared with the version now being published?
>>
>> Or do you have some more constructive proposal?
>>
>>    Patrik
>>
>> On 6 jan 2012, at 11:05, Dennis Jennings wrote:
>>
>>> Patrik,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your comments about the VIP list.
>>>
>>> The VIP list was established as a mechanism for people to be kept 
>>> informed about the VIP project and to discuss the project.  Neither 
>>> the list nor the discussions on the list were ever intended to be 
>>> part of the process of the development of either the Case Study 
>>> Reports (that was for the Case Study Teams, supported by the ICANN 
>>> VIP Team) or part of the process of the the development of the 
>>> Integrated Issues Report (that was for the ICANN VIP team, supported 
>>> by the Coordination Team drawn from the membership of the Case Study 
>>> Teams).
>>>
>>> Naturally, the ICANN VIP team kept an eye on the VIP list 
>>> discussion, and attempted to incorporate as many of the comments 
>>> that were made on the list as was possible in the very short period 
>>> of time available. I think that those discussions were helpful and 
>>> that many of the issues raised were considered and incorporated in 
>>> the Report - but it was never intended that the participants on the 
>>> VIP list would have any formal role in determining the release of 
>>> the final draft report for public comment.
>>>
>>> The time and place for comments on the Case Study Reports was during 
>>> the relevant public comment period - and we thank everyone who 
>>> commented.  The time for comments on the Integrated Issues Report is 
>>> now during this current public comment period - and we look forward 
>>> to lots of detailed comment.
>>>
>>> I regret that there seems to have been some misunderstanding about 
>>> the role of the VIP list.  This misunderstanding may have been added 
>>> to when an earlier draft of the Integrated Issues report was 
>>> circulated to the VIP list for comment.  I apologise if that is the 
>>> case.  However, I sincerely hope that all comments on important 
>>> issues that people feel were aired on the VIP list, but that have 
>>> not, in their view, been appropriately incorporated into the 
>>> Integrated Issues Report, will now be submitted as part of the 
>>> public comment period.  If people find it useful to continue 
>>> discussions on the VIP list, then the VIP Team will continue to 
>>> monitor the discussions on the list, and will take the comments into 
>>> account when updating the final report.
>>>
>>> I know that many people, including yourself, feel strongly about 
>>> many of the IDN Variant issues, and I very much appreciate your 
>>> continuing support for the VIP Project.
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>> On 05/01/2012 07:00, Patrik Fältström wrote:
>>>> On 5 jan 2012, at 00:16, Naela Sarras wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We have incorporated as many of your comments as possible...
>>>> That is not good enough.
>>>>
>>>> I have been told the *discussion* about the vip project was to be held here, and I do not see any such discussion.
>>>>
>>>> Having people send comments into /dev/null where absolutely no discussion is held is not a working process.
>>>>
>>>> And having a document be for open comments _before_ it is discussed on the list where it was supposed to be discussed is a seriously broken process.
>>>>
>>>> The comment period is to start _after_ we on this list agree to the document be ready for such actions.
>>>>
>>>>     Patrik
>>>>
>>>>
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