[vip] FW: ICANN News Alert -- IDN Variant Issues Project: Draft Integrated Issues Report

Fri Jan 6 14:14:23 UTC 2012

Harald,

Great idea - let me see if this can be done.

Dennis

On 06/01/2012 12:38, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
> Dennis,
>
> one specific action that should be possible to do as a courtesy to the 
> people on the VIP list:
> Circulate the Word version of the final report.
>
> Ideally, this would be a redline from the Dec 6 version (the product 
> of diffing the previous version with the current version, not a 
> changelog). But a Word version would allow others to do the diff step.
>
> Since none outside of the VIP list have seen the Dec 6 version, it is 
> only the VIP list that would be able to use such a version.
>
>                        Harald
>
> On 01/06/2012 11:51 AM, Dennis Jennings wrote:
>> Patrick,
>>
>> I understand your frustration.
>>
>> May I suggest that you send your comments on the version of the 
>> document that you studied to the public comment forum, with an 
>> introductory note saying that your comments are based on an earlier 
>> version of the draft and that regrettably you do not have time to 
>> review the final draft document.
>>
>> That would be very helpful.
>>
>> Many thanks
>> Dennis
>>
>> On 06/01/2012 10:33, Patrik Fältström wrote:
>>> Dennis,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the response.
>>>
>>> I do though not know what I should do with my comments.
>>>
>>> They are not part of the public comment period, so no one know about 
>>> them part from people on the VIP list.
>>>
>>> I have no idea what the differences are between the two versions of 
>>> the documents.
>>>
>>> I have no idea in the form of feedback on what you felt about my 
>>> comments. Maybe you for example ignored some because you felt I was 
>>> completely wrong, some because you did not understand them. I do not 
>>> know.
>>>
>>> Speaking into /dev/null is not very fun.
>>>
>>> Specifically for a very long document like this.
>>>
>>> And no, I do not have time to go through and reverse engineer your 
>>> thinking of my comments based on the (unknown) differences between 
>>> the two documents. I simply do not have time.
>>>
>>> So, what should I do? Send in the version of the document published 
>>> on Dec 3 and my comments into the public comment period, and explain 
>>> what happened, and that I do not have time to look at the comments 
>>> compared with the version now being published?
>>>
>>> Or do you have some more constructive proposal?
>>>
>>>    Patrik
>>>
>>> On 6 jan 2012, at 11:05, Dennis Jennings wrote:
>>>
>>>> Patrik,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your comments about the VIP list.
>>>>
>>>> The VIP list was established as a mechanism for people to be kept 
>>>> informed about the VIP project and to discuss the project.  Neither 
>>>> the list nor the discussions on the list were ever intended to be 
>>>> part of the process of the development of either the Case Study 
>>>> Reports (that was for the Case Study Teams, supported by the ICANN 
>>>> VIP Team) or part of the process of the the development of the 
>>>> Integrated Issues Report (that was for the ICANN VIP team, 
>>>> supported by the Coordination Team drawn from the membership of the 
>>>> Case Study Teams).
>>>>
>>>> Naturally, the ICANN VIP team kept an eye on the VIP list 
>>>> discussion, and attempted to incorporate as many of the comments 
>>>> that were made on the list as was possible in the very short period 
>>>> of time available. I think that those discussions were helpful and 
>>>> that many of the issues raised were considered and incorporated in 
>>>> the Report - but it was never intended that the participants on the 
>>>> VIP list would have any formal role in determining the release of 
>>>> the final draft report for public comment.
>>>>
>>>> The time and place for comments on the Case Study Reports was 
>>>> during the relevant public comment period - and we thank everyone 
>>>> who commented.  The time for comments on the Integrated Issues 
>>>> Report is now during this current public comment period - and we 
>>>> look forward to lots of detailed comment.
>>>>
>>>> I regret that there seems to have been some misunderstanding about 
>>>> the role of the VIP list.  This misunderstanding may have been 
>>>> added to when an earlier draft of the Integrated Issues report was 
>>>> circulated to the VIP list for comment.  I apologise if that is the 
>>>> case.  However, I sincerely hope that all comments on important 
>>>> issues that people feel were aired on the VIP list, but that have 
>>>> not, in their view, been appropriately incorporated into the 
>>>> Integrated Issues Report, will now be submitted as part of the 
>>>> public comment period.  If people find it useful to continue 
>>>> discussions on the VIP list, then the VIP Team will continue to 
>>>> monitor the discussions on the list, and will take the comments 
>>>> into account when updating the final report.
>>>>
>>>> I know that many people, including yourself, feel strongly about 
>>>> many of the IDN Variant issues, and I very much appreciate your 
>>>> continuing support for the VIP Project.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>> On 05/01/2012 07:00, Patrik Fältström wrote:
>>>>> On 5 jan 2012, at 00:16, Naela Sarras wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We have incorporated as many of your comments as possible...
>>>>> That is not good enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been told the *discussion* about the vip project was to be held here, and I do not see any such discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having people send comments into /dev/null where absolutely no discussion is held is not a working process.
>>>>>
>>>>> And having a document be for open comments _before_ it is discussed on the list where it was supposed to be discussed is a seriously broken process.
>>>>>
>>>>> The comment period is to start _after_ we on this list agree to the document be ready for such actions.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Patrik
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Dennis Jennings, Managing Director, Knous Limited
>>>>
>>>> 	
>>>>
>>>> www.knous.ie <http://www.knous.ie/>
>>>>
>>>> _Dennis.Jennings at knous.ie_ <mailto:Dennis.Jennings at ICANN.org>
>>>>
>>>> 	
>>>>
>>>> Registered in Ireland No. 477218
>>>>
>>>> Mobile: +353 87 220 8225
>>>>
>>>> 	
>>>>
>>>> VAT No.IE 9726842D
>>>>
>>>> Home Office: +353 1 269 5475** Please note new number
>>>>
>>>> 	
>>>>
>>>> Directors:
>>>>
>>>> Skype: DennisJennings
>>>>
>>>> 	
>>>>
>>>> D.M. Jennings (Managing), D. Fitzmaurice
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Dr. Dennis Jennings, Managing Director, Knous Limited
>>
>> 	
>>
>> www.knous.ie <http://www.knous.ie/>
>>
>> _Dennis.Jennings at knous.ie_ <mailto:Dennis.Jennings at ICANN.org>
>>
>> 	
>>
>> Registered in Ireland No. 477218
>>
>> Mobile: +353 87 220 8225
>>
>> 	
>>
>> VAT No.IE 9726842D
>>
>> Home Office: +353 1 269 5475** Please note new number
>>
>> 	
>>
>> Directors:
>>
>> Skype: DennisJennings
>>
>> 	
>>
>> D.M. Jennings (Managing), D. Fitzmaurice
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Dennis Jennings, Managing Director, Knous Limited

www.knous.ie <http://www.knous.ie/>

_Dennis.Jennings at knous.ie_ <mailto:Dennis.Jennings at ICANN.org>

Registered in Ireland No. 477218

Mobile: +353 87 220 8225

VAT No.IE 9726842D

Home Office: +353 1 269 5475** Please note new number

Directors:

Skype: DennisJennings

D.M. Jennings (Managing), D. Fitzmaurice

------------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/vip/attachments/20120106/e8ee709f/attachment-0001.html 