[IAG-WHOIS conflicts] Fwd: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed WHOIS language

Christopher Wilkinson cw at christopherwilkinson.eu
Thu Sep 3 19:55:29 UTC 2015 

PS:	The .pdf 'track changes' texts referred to are to be found right at the bottom of the below thread.

CW



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> From: CW Mail <mail at christopherwilkinson.eu>
> Subject: Fwd: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed WHOIS language
> Date: 3 Sep 2015 21:52:34 GMT+02:00
> To: "accountability-cross-community at icann.org Accountability" <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> Cc: "whois-iag-volunteers at icann.org" <whois-iag-volunteers at icann.org>
> 
> Good evening:
> 
> With all my admiration for this excursion into 'track-changes' and many thanks to Greg for the .pdf formats:
> 
> a)	I have not understood why these texts need to be agreed upon now. Isn't this par excellence a case to be referred to "work stream 2" - ?
> 
> b)	WHOIS policy is being addressed in ICANN through several parallel processes, to the point that I have every expectation that they will give rise to inconsistent outcomes. 
> 	We do not need CCWG to add to the process.
> 
> c)	In any event, I absolutely disagree to including anywhere the repeated references to " … a commitment that becomes part of ICANN Bylaws, regarding enforcement of the current WHOIS … "
> 	
> 	1.	Current WHOIS policy has proven to be unenforceable for more than a decade.
> 
> 	2.	Current WHOIS policy, should it be enforced, jeopardises Registrars and Registrants in jurisdictions where the policy conflicts with applicable local law.
> 
> 	3.	All of the above will have to be reviewed by the community as soon as ICANN proposes how to implement the recommendations for a new gTLD Directory Service.
> 
> I suggest that CCWG drop the whole topic for the time being pending ICANN's proposals for new gTLD Directory Services.
> 
> Regards
> 
> CW
> 
> 
> 
> 	
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed WHOIS language
>> Date: 3 Sep 2015 21:05:18 GMT+02:00
>> To: Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez <crg at isoc-cr.org>
>> Cc: "accountability-cross-community at icann.org" <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
>> 
>> ​This seems to fall into the "no good deed goes unpunished" category.  In any event, and in spite of not being asked, I have taken my time to convert the three documents to the PDF format, because I'm a nice guy.​
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez <crg at isoc-cr.org> wrote:
>> My linux based, open source, FREE word processor opens/saves  MS Word documents without any trouble………. So I don’t know what the issue is With Dr. Lisse´s IPad mini...
>> 
>>  
>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>> _____________________
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>> email: crg at isoc-cr.org
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>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Nigel Roberts <nigel at channelisles.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> To be Frank, it's pretty rude to expect everyone to use the same software supplier. (In fact, in some circumstances it's even anti-competitive).
>>> 
>>> Why can't we use open standards, again?
>>> 
>>> On 09/03/2015 07:46 PM, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez wrote:
>>>> I welcome your increasing flexibility
>>>> the Apple store a a free app to read MS word documents now that should
>>>> work in you iPad mini
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>>>> _____________________
>>>> 
>>>> email: crg at isoc-cr.org <mailto:crg at isoc-cr.org>
>>>> Skype: carlos.raulg
>>>> +506 8837 7173 (cel)
>>>> +506 4000 2000 (home)
>>>> +506 2290 3678 (fax)
>>>> _____________________
>>>> Apartado 1571-1000
>>>> San Jose, COSTA RICA
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 3, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na
>>>>> <mailto:el at lisse.na>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am not even going to bother to ask, for, the umpteenth time, that
>>>>> documents are posted in an open format.
>>>>> 
>>>>> el
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 3, 2015, at 17:24, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> All:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For what it's worth, I prepared track changes comparisons of the
>>>>>> following:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> CCWG Proposal vs. AoC language
>>>>>> Board Proposal vs. AoC language
>>>>>> Board Proposal vs. CCWG Proposal
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> These are attached.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Malcolm Hutty <malcolm at linx.net
>>>>>> <mailto:malcolm at linx.net>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    On 03/09/2015 13:27, Bruce Tonkin wrote:
>>>>>>    > Hello Malcolm,
>>>>>>    >
>>>>>>    > On 02/09/2015 02:24, Bruce Tonkin wrote:
>>>>>>    >> ICANN commits to enforcing its policy relating to the current WHOIS
>>>>>>    >> and any future gTLD Directory Service,
>>>>>>    >
>>>>>>    > To be clear - we are not talking about any specific service here with any pre-conceived set of requirements.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    Indeed. But I did think there was a risk that wording could be
>>>>>>    (mis)interpreted to suggest that we are - and then used to that
>>>>>>    effect
>>>>>>    when discussing what that future Directory Service might look like.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    > We are talking about a new service that is established as a result of a policy development process in the GNSO.   If it helps you could add the text:
>>>>>>    >
>>>>>>    > "any future gTLD DIrectory Service, established via ICANN's bottom up policy development process".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    I think that would help.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    The only point that I'm making is that we aren't trying to
>>>>>>    pre-empt that
>>>>>>    process or use this insertion into the Bylaws to direct certain
>>>>>>    outcomes
>>>>>>    from it. On that, I think we're all agreed; it's just a matter of
>>>>>>    being
>>>>>>    clear in the language we choose.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>    --
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>>>>>> <CCWG vs AoC Whois Review Comparison.docx>
>>>>>> <Board vs AoC Whois Review Comparison.docx>
>>>>>> <Board vs CCWG Whois Review Comparison.docx>
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