[WP1] Homework from WP1 call on Fri 30-Oct

[Greg Shatan]

If we can truly make this a consensus process, and not merely dub the end
result of a nose-counting process "consensus," then I think a lot of
concerns (mine included) will tend to drop away.  The fact that there's
still a need to jostle for position tends to indicate we're not there yet.

On Monday, November 2, 2015, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 02-Nov-15 13:36, Greg Shatan wrote:
> > The differences between the GNSO Stakeholder Groups and Constituencies
> > are far deeper and more fundamental than the differences in geography
> > that define the RALOs and RIRs.  (That's not to minimize the differing
> > priorities that are driven by geography, but it's still far less
> > significant than the differences between, e.g., a registry and a
> > non-commercial stakeholder and an ISP.)
>
> I disagree. The geographical distinction are far more fundamental that
> the differences we have in the GNSO.
>
> - In the GNSO we all have a single interest in ICANN participation -
> gTLD policy.
>
> - In the GNSO 3/4 of the Stakeholder groups are business groups. they
> may have different and sometimes conflicting purposes, but most of the
> SGs are business oriented and have their members' and clients'
> profitability as their central concern. And as the quote goes, "the
> business of business is business.
>
> The difference between those living in the various cultures of the world
> differ to a larger degree and are critical to the diversity that is
> needed in a global organization.  It is perhaps a very Northern business
> sort of orientation that sees business orientation as more significant
> than the geopolitical and cultural perspective people bring to
> organization.
>
> Now I still think that the community powers  only come into effect and
> can only be exercised when we have community consensus and that part of
> having community consensus is first having consensus within our ACs and
> SOs.  I think that if we are counting votes or fractions of votes within
> an SO or AC we cannot be said to have consensus.  Sure each SO and AC
> can find its consensus it own way, including voting, but the ACs and
> SOs, in my opinion should be representing consensus opinions in these
> process.
>
> So while I believe that geographical distinctions are as great if not
> greater then commercial or non commercial interests, I do not think that
> the community powers should exercised unless we have consensus of most
> all, despite their orientation.
>
>
> avri
>
>
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