[Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report

Seun Ojedeji seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
Fri Feb 17 13:42:22 UTC 2017


Makes sense, and I agree.

Thanks!
PS: Apologies for the call - Environ doesn't permit.

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Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On Feb 17, 2017 13:41, "avri doria" <avri at apc.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thanks for supporting the rewording.
>
> I worry about adding wiggle room, which allows the powers that be to
> ignore the requirement.  From the point of view of needing diversity, I
> think the edit defeats the purpose.
>
> In a sense by not defining quota, which I considered suggesting, we are
> already giving an implicit bit of wiggle room.  I do not support adding
> the extra phrase and think we should consider adding hard quotas.  I
> think the historical evidence is that without quotas, diversity just
> does happen because it is always more possible to stick with homogeneity.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 17-Feb-17 05:09, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I agree with Avri's rationale as well. However in order not to have an
> > unending assessment process. I suggest slightly modifying Avri's text to:
> >
> > Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation is essential to
> > fulfilling the range of skills and experience necessary for ICANN. If
> > an original assessment of candidates is not sufficiently diverse to
> > fulfill the skill, experience and diversity requirements necessary,
> > then efforts need to be redoubled until diversity is achieved *as much
> > as possible*.
> >
> > Regards
> > Sent from my LG G4
> > Kindly excuse brevity and typos
> >
> > On Feb 17, 2017 1:30 AM, "avri doria" <avri at acm.org
> > <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
> >
> >     hi,
> >
> >     Apologies for missing some meetings lately, I have let myself become
> >     overloaded.
> >
> >
> >     On 15-Feb-17 16:26, Malcolm Hutty wrote:
> >     > I suggest we keep the existing text, but add the following on
> >     the end of it:
> >     >
> >     > "Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation will tend to
> >     > broaden the range of skills and experience available, but rigid
> >     > application of diversity requirements for selection could in
> >     some cases
> >     > have the opposite effect, and this should be avoided."
> >
> >     I would havea  severe problem with this oppositional statement.  It
> >     ignores the fact that diversity is a component of skill and
> >     experience.
> >     Diverse experience can only be obtained through cultural diversity -
> >     people or organizations that are steeped in one culture, especially a
> >     dominant culture, do not generally understand the full scope of a
> >     problem and do not bring a full or appropriate set of skills and
> >     experience, no matter how clever they may be.  Proper solutions
> cannot
> >     be found without diversity
> >
> >     Likewise the skill often needed is cross cultural sensitivity which
> >     cannot be achieved without full scope of diversity.
> >
> >     The set {skill, experience, diversity} cannot be satisfied without
> >     full
> >     consideration of the full set. Yes one needs skill and experience,
> but
> >     needs to obtain it from a diverse set of actors, becue a non
> >     diverse set
> >     will not have the necessary skills and experience in any case.  If by
> >     rigid you mean living without it, then I will argue for rigid
> >     application of diversity criteria.  I would go so far as to say
> >     that any
> >     selection process that does not satisfy diversity has failed and does
> >     not meet the conditions for global accountability.
> >
> >     On 16-Feb-17 16:13, Malcolm Hutty wrote:
> >     > "Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation will tend to
> >     > broaden the range of skills and experience available, but rigid
> >     > application of diversity requirements for selection could in
> >     some cases
> >     > have the opposite effect, and this should be avoided."
> >
> >     I cannot accept this formulation either.  There should not be any
> >     statement disparaging the absolute necessity for diversity in
> >     every and
> >     all ICANN processes. the presumption that is unstated is the
> diversity
> >     means a less skilled set of applicnts and I find this to be very
> >     problematic.
> >
> >     On 16-Feb-17 16:30, Mathieu Weill wrote:
> >     > Thank you for the feedbacks, and for the various suggestions.
> >     >
> >     > Picking up on your proposal Malcolm, how about :
> >     >
> >     > "Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation will tend
> >     to broaden
> >     > the range of skills and experience available, but rigid
> >     application of
> >     > diversity requirements for selection could in some cases have
> >     the opposite
> >     > effect, and this unintended consequence *needs to be carefully
> >     assessed*."
> >     > (instead of "avoided").
> >
> >     Even this goes to far and leaves it as acceptable to avoid diversity.
> >     Someone can always try to spin, and will, the argument and say, we
> >     have
> >     good people even if they aren't diverse and we are unable to satisfy
> >     diversity.  In this case the response should be to try harder, not
> >     throw
> >     up one's hands and say oh well diversity is too hard, do not be so
> >     rigid.
> >     ICANN is a global organization that is accountable to a diverse
> world.
> >     An accountablty that cannot be met without real diversity.
> >
> >     For me this meets the requirement of a die in the ditch position.
> >
> >     I would prefer something like:
> >
> >     Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation is essential
> >     to fulfilling
> >     the range of skills and experience necessary for ICANN. If an
> >     original assessment of candidates is not sufficiently diverse to
> >     fulfill the skill, experience and diversity requirements
> >     necessary, then efforts need to be redoubled until diversity is
> >     achieved.
> >
> >     No more shrugging and saying: diversity was hard therefore we
> >     picked all men from WEOG. This is a failure for ICANN and _MUST_
> >     not be accepted by this group, WS2 or ICANN.
> >
> >     thanks
> >     avri
> >
> >
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