[Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report
Seun Ojedeji
seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
Fri Feb 17 13:42:22 UTC 2017
Makes sense, and I agree.
Thanks!
PS: Apologies for the call - Environ doesn't permit.
Sent from my LG G4
Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Feb 17, 2017 13:41, "avri doria" <avri at apc.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for supporting the rewording.
>
> I worry about adding wiggle room, which allows the powers that be to
> ignore the requirement. From the point of view of needing diversity, I
> think the edit defeats the purpose.
>
> In a sense by not defining quota, which I considered suggesting, we are
> already giving an implicit bit of wiggle room. I do not support adding
> the extra phrase and think we should consider adding hard quotas. I
> think the historical evidence is that without quotas, diversity just
> does happen because it is always more possible to stick with homogeneity.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 17-Feb-17 05:09, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I agree with Avri's rationale as well. However in order not to have an
> > unending assessment process. I suggest slightly modifying Avri's text to:
> >
> > Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation is essential to
> > fulfilling the range of skills and experience necessary for ICANN. If
> > an original assessment of candidates is not sufficiently diverse to
> > fulfill the skill, experience and diversity requirements necessary,
> > then efforts need to be redoubled until diversity is achieved *as much
> > as possible*.
> >
> > Regards
> > Sent from my LG G4
> > Kindly excuse brevity and typos
> >
> > On Feb 17, 2017 1:30 AM, "avri doria" <avri at acm.org
> > <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
> >
> > hi,
> >
> > Apologies for missing some meetings lately, I have let myself become
> > overloaded.
> >
> >
> > On 15-Feb-17 16:26, Malcolm Hutty wrote:
> > > I suggest we keep the existing text, but add the following on
> > the end of it:
> > >
> > > "Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation will tend to
> > > broaden the range of skills and experience available, but rigid
> > > application of diversity requirements for selection could in
> > some cases
> > > have the opposite effect, and this should be avoided."
> >
> > I would havea severe problem with this oppositional statement. It
> > ignores the fact that diversity is a component of skill and
> > experience.
> > Diverse experience can only be obtained through cultural diversity -
> > people or organizations that are steeped in one culture, especially a
> > dominant culture, do not generally understand the full scope of a
> > problem and do not bring a full or appropriate set of skills and
> > experience, no matter how clever they may be. Proper solutions
> cannot
> > be found without diversity
> >
> > Likewise the skill often needed is cross cultural sensitivity which
> > cannot be achieved without full scope of diversity.
> >
> > The set {skill, experience, diversity} cannot be satisfied without
> > full
> > consideration of the full set. Yes one needs skill and experience,
> but
> > needs to obtain it from a diverse set of actors, becue a non
> > diverse set
> > will not have the necessary skills and experience in any case. If by
> > rigid you mean living without it, then I will argue for rigid
> > application of diversity criteria. I would go so far as to say
> > that any
> > selection process that does not satisfy diversity has failed and does
> > not meet the conditions for global accountability.
> >
> > On 16-Feb-17 16:13, Malcolm Hutty wrote:
> > > "Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation will tend to
> > > broaden the range of skills and experience available, but rigid
> > > application of diversity requirements for selection could in
> > some cases
> > > have the opposite effect, and this should be avoided."
> >
> > I cannot accept this formulation either. There should not be any
> > statement disparaging the absolute necessity for diversity in
> > every and
> > all ICANN processes. the presumption that is unstated is the
> diversity
> > means a less skilled set of applicnts and I find this to be very
> > problematic.
> >
> > On 16-Feb-17 16:30, Mathieu Weill wrote:
> > > Thank you for the feedbacks, and for the various suggestions.
> > >
> > > Picking up on your proposal Malcolm, how about :
> > >
> > > "Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation will tend
> > to broaden
> > > the range of skills and experience available, but rigid
> > application of
> > > diversity requirements for selection could in some cases have
> > the opposite
> > > effect, and this unintended consequence *needs to be carefully
> > assessed*."
> > > (instead of "avoided").
> >
> > Even this goes to far and leaves it as acceptable to avoid diversity.
> > Someone can always try to spin, and will, the argument and say, we
> > have
> > good people even if they aren't diverse and we are unable to satisfy
> > diversity. In this case the response should be to try harder, not
> > throw
> > up one's hands and say oh well diversity is too hard, do not be so
> > rigid.
> > ICANN is a global organization that is accountable to a diverse
> world.
> > An accountablty that cannot be met without real diversity.
> >
> > For me this meets the requirement of a die in the ditch position.
> >
> > I would prefer something like:
> >
> > Ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation is essential
> > to fulfilling
> > the range of skills and experience necessary for ICANN. If an
> > original assessment of candidates is not sufficiently diverse to
> > fulfill the skill, experience and diversity requirements
> > necessary, then efforts need to be redoubled until diversity is
> > achieved.
> >
> > No more shrugging and saying: diversity was hard therefore we
> > picked all men from WEOG. This is a failure for ICANN and _MUST_
> > not be accepted by this group, WS2 or ICANN.
> >
> > thanks
> > avri
> >
> >
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