[Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report

Tue Feb 21 23:32:10 UTC 2017

Hi,

just to add that during the last call (
https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=64068802), we had
consensus around the proposal from Avri and that is currently in the
document, and getting more input on it.
@Julie can you please send/add a text around your suggestion i.e. diversity
in skill sets?

Best,

Rafik

2017-02-22 7:43 GMT+09:00 Julie Hammer <julie.hammer at bigpond.com>:

> *(To Secretariat Staff:  would you please release this email to the list.
> I do not have posting rights.  Many thanks.)*
>
> Also to add to Lousewies’s point and to clarify what I was saying on the
> call:  I was suggesting that we shouldn’t be representing this as skills OR
> diversity, but rather diversity IN skills sets ie. listing skills as an
> element of diversity means that we should be seeking to have a diversity of
> (relevant) skills in whatever context we are discussing.   In Lousewies’s
> example, I think that the argument "they just don't have the
> skills/experience/background” should be turned around on those proposing it
> by highlighting and advocating the advantages of having diversity IN the
> skills set.  Different people have different skills and I suggest that all
>  situations/groups benefit from having a range of skills available.
>
> So that is the focus that I was trying to suggest we have in the paragraph
> in question.
>
> I also look forward to seeing everyone in Copenhagen.
>
> Cheers,  Julie
>
> On 21 Feb 2017, at 7:10 PM, Lousewies Vanderlaan <
> lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org> wrote:
>
> Just to clarify: I was not supporting the formulation persé, I was
> wondering that if it is kept, whether that was the right place to do it. It
> seemed more like a general comment, which pertains to all the elements of
> diversity rather than one which applies only to the point of skills. It is
> the traditional way in which those who perpetuate the status quo always
> argue against the diverse candidate: "they just don't have the
> skills/experience/background".  It will be comforting to those who do not
> yet see the value of diversity, but I would be more in favor of trying to
> socialize the concept with those people, so that resistance becomes
> negligible.
> It is up to the community to decide whether and when skills trump
> diversity, but I generally agree with those who have said that this is a
> false dichotomy.
> On a personal note, I can tell you from long experience I have often seen
> very competent women bypassed for top jobs, with the arguments that they
> lack the skill set. I see the risk for abuse of this "escape clause ".
> I do not think anyone is advocating for an incompetent person from for
> example an underrepresented region/gender to take a leadership position. If
> opponents starts to hammer the competence/skills argument, it can be
> helpful to call this out.
> The fact is that we either have enough competent people or we should be
> educating and grooming enough people in the pipeline so that any gap is
> temporary and this will become a mute point in the future (perhaps we can
> make this explicit in the document?)
> In this regard I believe the document can be very helpful: it will
> encourage the clear measurement and reporting of diversity throughout the
> organization, board and the community. Once we have identified where the
> gaps are we can make sure we put resources in those areas to make sure the
> "argument" of lack of qualified/skilled people becomes irrelevant.
> Hoping to see many of you in Copenhagen!
> Lousewies
>
> ……
> Sent from my phone.
> Lousewies van der Laan
>
> On 16 Feb 2017, at 13:56, Fiona Asonga <fasonga at kixp.or.ke> wrote:
>
> Dear Mathieu
>
> Thanks for the feedback. I agree that the increased diversity can actually
> expand the diversity of skills within ICANN but the pair of the
> conversation we haven't yet considered is the kind of skills that would
> constitutes skills diversity. Would it be based purely on work experience
> or academic qualifications or a combination of both? Both you and Lousewies
> raise important discussion points and look forwards to further discussions.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Fiona Asonga
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Mathieu Weill" <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>
> *To: *"Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, "Lousewies Vanderlaan" <
> lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>
> *Cc: *ws2-diversity at icann.org
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:19:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
>
> I apologize for not being able to make many of the calls, but congratulate
> the group on the progress on the document.
>
>
> I did post a comment on the Gdoc, about the following sentence :
> “While acknowledging the importance of diversity in the accountability
> mechanisms, members of WS2 have expressed their view that diversity
> requirement should not prevail over skills or experience requirements.”
>
>
> Lousewies was supporting the formulation, and I understand where she’s
> coming from on that, but I personally have an issue with it : it implies
> that there is a mutually exclusive choice to be made between skills on the
> one side, diversity on the other. I do not share this view. I contend that
> increased diversity would actually expand the diversity of skills within
> ICANN.
>
>
> What do other group members think about it ?
>
>
> Whatever the outcome of this discussion, it would be useful to detail
> exactly what kind of skills we want to look at in terms of skills
> diversity. Is it legal / technical / market ? Others ?
>
>
> Best
> Mathieu
>
>
> *De :* ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org [mailto:ws2-
> diversity-bounces at icann.org <ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org>] *De la
> part de* Rafik Dammak
> *Envoyé :* mardi 14 février 2017 01:03
> *À :* Lousewies Vanderlaan
> *Cc :* ws2-diversity at icann.org
> *Objet :* Re: [Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report
>
>
> Dear Lousewies,
>
>
> Thanks for the comments!
> I moved the document to this google doc so everyone can comment
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ziy7NDZZd9bW08HOxY-
> CYUx3qQdno5i9Rqp4fOJtAT0 , the previous document was in word format . it
> is in suggestion mode, so you can propose edits and changes.
> I encourage all members of the subgroup to go through the document and add
> their suggestions. we will add other parts in coming days.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Rafik
> 2017-02-12 5:33 GMT+09:00 Lousewies Vanderlaan <
> lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>:
>
> Dear all,
> Congratulations on a strong first draft.  As you know, as board liaison I
> have been mostly observing, but I have taken the liberty to make some small
> comments in the document in a personal capacity.  Hope its useful.
> I look forward to seeing many of you in Copenhagen.
> best, Lousewies
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10 Feb 2017, at 17:23, Fiona Asonga <fasonga at kixp.or.ke> wrote:
> >
> > Hallo All
> >
> > Please find on the link below the first draft of the diversity report
> with consolidated views that have bee shared and discussed so far on
> diversity.
> >
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzFxffuM3Hx_dUV1OWc0cDg5QWc/view?usp=
> sharing
> >
> > Since the discussion on the Global Accounts is still ongoing we have
> considered the input but would like another round of discussion on the same.
> >
> > Please feel free to share your feedback and edits to the document.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Fiona and Rafik
> >
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