[Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report
Dr. Mona Al-achkar JAbbour
maj_aj at hotmail.com
Wed Feb 22 17:31:04 UTC 2017
I totally agree with Mr. Tijani.
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From: ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org <ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:35 AM
To: avri at acm.org
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Subject: Re: [Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report
Thank you Avri for summarizing the discussion on skills in the Diversity Sub-Group.
I agree that diversity requirement should not prevail over skills or experience requirements.
But I don’t think that skills and experience are elements of diversity, and find this concept dangerous for the diversity; In fact, as everyone knows, skills and experience are mostly present in the north and if they are taken as elements of diversity, the whole diversity will be flooded and we will end up with the same case of a large majority from the north and almost none from the south.
In my opinion, the choice should be done according to the skill and experience without using very narrow criteria, and in the pool of those skilled persons, we have to apply the diversity rules.
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Le 22 févr. 2017 à 05:43, avri doria <avri at acm.org<mailto:avri at acm.org>> a écrit :
Hi.
I did take a try in the doc at including this idea.
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*2.6 Skills: A variety of skill is important since it is a reflection of
the diverse skill set available within the ICANN Community.While
acknowledging the importance of diversity in the accountability
mechanisms, some members of WS2 have expressed their view that diversity
requirement should not prevail over skills or experience requirements,
but should be an equivalent factor. Others have argued that skills and
experience are elements of diversity. Whether diversity is an essential
element of skills and experience or skill and experience are elements of
diversity ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation is
essential to fulfilling the range of skills and experience necessary for
ICANN. If an original assessment of candidates is not sufficiently
diverse to fulfill the skill, experience and diversity requirements
necessary, then efforts need to be redoubled until diversity is achieved..*
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avri
On 21-Feb-17 18:32, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi,
just to add that during the last call
(https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=64068802),
we had consensus around the proposal from Avri and that is currently
in the document, and getting more input on it.
@Julie can you please send/add a text around your suggestion i.e.
diversity in skill sets?
Best,
Rafik
2017-02-22 7:43 GMT+09:00 Julie Hammer <julie.hammer at bigpond.com<mailto:julie.hammer at bigpond.com>
<mailto:julie.hammer at bigpond.com>>:
*(To Secretariat Staff: would you please release this email to
the list. I do not have posting rights. Many thanks.)*
Also to add to Lousewies’s point and to clarify what I was saying
on the call: I was suggesting that we shouldn’t be representing
this as skills OR diversity, but rather diversity IN skills sets
ie. listing skills as an element of diversity means that we should
be seeking to have a diversity of (relevant) skills in whatever
context we are discussing. In Lousewies’s example, I think that
the argument "they just don't have the
skills/experience/background” should be turned around on those
proposing it by highlighting and advocating the advantages of
having diversity IN the skills set. Different people have
different skills and I suggest that all situations/groups benefit
from having a range of skills available.
So that is the focus that I was trying to suggest we have in the
paragraph in question.
I also look forward to seeing everyone in Copenhagen.
Cheers, Julie
On 21 Feb 2017, at 7:10 PM, Lousewies Vanderlaan
<lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org<mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>
<mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>> wrote:
Just to clarify: I was not supporting the formulation persé, I was
wondering that if it is kept, whether that was the right place to
do it. It seemed more like a general comment, which pertains to
all the elements of diversity rather than one which applies only
to the point of skills. It is the traditional way in which those
who perpetuate the status quo always argue against the diverse
candidate: "they just don't have the
skills/experience/background". It will be comforting to those who
do not yet see the value of diversity, but I would be more in
favor of trying to socialize the concept with those people, so
that resistance becomes negligible.
It is up to the community to decide whether and when skills trump
diversity, but I generally agree with those who have said that
this is a false dichotomy.
On a personal note, I can tell you from long experience I have
often seen very competent women bypassed for top jobs, with the
arguments that they lack the skill set. I see the risk for abuse
of this "escape clause ".
I do not think anyone is advocating for an incompetent person from
for example an underrepresented region/gender to take a leadership
position. If opponents starts to hammer the competence/skills
argument, it can be helpful to call this out.
The fact is that we either have enough competent people or we
should be educating and grooming enough people in the pipeline so
that any gap is temporary and this will become a mute point in the
future (perhaps we can make this explicit in the document?)
In this regard I believe the document can be very helpful: it will
encourage the clear measurement and reporting of diversity
throughout the organization, board and the community. Once we have
identified where the gaps are we can make sure we put resources in
those areas to make sure the "argument" of lack of
qualified/skilled people becomes irrelevant.
Hoping to see many of you in Copenhagen!
Lousewies
……
Sent from my phone.
Lousewies van der Laan
On 16 Feb 2017, at 13:56, Fiona Asonga <fasonga at kixp.or.ke<mailto:fasonga at kixp.or.ke>
<mailto:fasonga at kixp.or.ke>> wrote:
Dear Mathieu
Thanks for the feedback. I agree that the increased diversity can
actually expand the diversity of skills within ICANN but the pair
of the conversation we haven't yet considered is the kind of
skills that would constitutes skills diversity. Would it be based
purely on work experience or academic qualifications or a
combination of both? Both you and Lousewies raise important
discussion points and look forwards to further discussions.
Kind regards
Fiona Asonga
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*From: *"Mathieu Weill" <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr<mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>
<mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>>
*To: *"Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>, "Lousewies Vanderlaan"
<lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org<mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>
<mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>>
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*Sent: *Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:19:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report
Dear Colleagues,
I apologize for not being able to make many of the calls, but
congratulate the group on the progress on the document.
I did post a comment on the Gdoc, about the following sentence :
“While acknowledging the importance of diversity in the
accountability mechanisms, members of WS2 have expressed their
view that diversity requirement should not prevail over skills or
experience requirements.”
Lousewies was supporting the formulation, and I understand where
she’s coming from on that, but I personally have an issue with it
: it implies that there is a mutually exclusive choice to be made
between skills on the one side, diversity on the other. I do not
share this view. I contend that increased diversity would
actually expand the diversity of skills within ICANN.
What do other group members think about it ?
Whatever the outcome of this discussion, it would be useful to
detail exactly what kind of skills we want to look at in terms of
skills diversity. Is it legal / technical / market ? Others ?
Best
Mathieu
*De :* ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org<mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org>
<mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org
<mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org>] *De la part de* Rafik
Dammak
*Envoyé :* mardi 14 février 2017 01:03
*À :* Lousewies Vanderlaan
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*Objet :* Re: [Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report
Dear Lousewies,
Thanks for the comments!
I moved the document to this google doc so everyone can
comment https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ziy7NDZZd9bW08HOxY-CYUx3qQdno5i9Rqp4fOJtAT0
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ziy7NDZZd9bW08HOxY-CYUx3qQdno5i9Rqp4fOJtAT0> ,
the previous document was in word format . it is in suggestion
mode, so you can propose edits and changes.
I encourage all members of the subgroup to go through the
document and add their suggestions. we will add other parts in
coming days.
Best,
Rafik
2017-02-12 5:33 GMT+09:00 Lousewies Vanderlaan
<lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org<mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>
<mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>>:
Dear all,
Congratulations on a strong first draft. As you know, as board
liaison I have been mostly observing, but I have taken the
liberty to make some small comments in the document in a personal
capacity. Hope its useful.
I look forward to seeing many of you in Copenhagen.
best, Lousewies
On 10 Feb 2017, at 17:23, Fiona Asonga <fasonga at kixp.or.ke<mailto:fasonga at kixp.or.ke>
<mailto:fasonga at kixp.or.ke>> wrote:
Hallo All
Please find on the link below the first draft of the diversity
report with consolidated views that have bee shared and discussed
so far on diversity.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzFxffuM3Hx_dUV1OWc0cDg5QWc/view?usp=sharing
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzFxffuM3Hx_dUV1OWc0cDg5QWc/view?usp=sharing>
Since the discussion on the Global Accounts is still ongoing we
have considered the input but would like another round of
discussion on the same.
Please feel free to share your feedback and edits to the document.
Kind regards
Fiona and Rafik
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