[Ws2-jurisdiction] CCWG-Accountability-WS2-Jurisdiction-Meeting Scheduled for Wednesday 2 August 1300

Nigel Roberts nigel at channelisles.net
Mon Jul 31 19:04:04 UTC 2017


Just for reference . . .

http://www.itv.com/news/channel/2016-12-15/alderney-celebrates-homecoming-day/


On 31/07/17 19:53, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
> Sir, Pls indicate ,based on the participation list at the Sub Group, who
> from those long list attend the sub group .
> But from Switzerland ,at least three
> Moreover, I do not understand Los Angles day, we are talking of National
> Holidays NOT REGIONAL OR URBAN HOLIDAYSD
> Regards
> Kavouss
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Kavouss Arasteh
> <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Sir,
>     your comments is totally misleading.
>     Regards
>     Kavouss
>
>     On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Paul Rosenzweig
>     <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>     <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>> wrote:
>
>         Indeed, we should not have meetings on the national holiday of
>         any nation.  Here is a helpful list for August:
>         http://www.officeholidays.com/2017/08.php
>         <http://www.officeholidays.com/2017/08.php>____
>
>         __ __
>
>         Paul____
>
>         __ __
>
>         Paul Rosenzweig____
>
>         paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>         <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>____
>
>         O: +1 (202) 547-0660 <tel:(202)%20547-0660>____
>
>         M: +1 (202) 329-9650 <tel:(202)%20329-9650>____
>
>         VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 <tel:(202)%20738-1739>____
>
>         www.redbranchconsulting.com
>         <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/>____
>
>         My PGP Key:
>         https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
>         <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684>____
>
>         __ __
>
>         *From:* ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org
>         <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org>
>         [mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org
>         <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of
>         *Kavouss Arasteh
>         *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 2:12 PM
>         *To:* Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>         <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía
>         <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe at sanchez.mx>>; Thomas
>         Rickert <rickert at anwaelte.de <mailto:rickert at anwaelte.de>>;
>         Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard at gmail.com
>         <mailto:turcotte.bernard at gmail.com>>
>         *Cc:* ACCT-Staff <acct-staff at icann.org
>         <mailto:acct-staff at icann.org>>; ws2-jurisdiction
>         <ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org>>
>
>
>         *Subject:* Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction]
>         CCWG-Accountability-WS2-Jurisdiction-Meeting Scheduled for
>         Wednesday 2 August 1300____
>
>         __ __
>
>         Dear Bernard,____
>
>         It is a pity that SAM Unfortunately cannot join our Wednesday 2
>         August 1300 meeting but could participate on Tuesday 1 August
>         1300 to cover the topics of OFAC and Choice of Law from the
>         ICANN perspective.____
>
>         However, tomorrow 01 August is the National Holiday in
>         Switzerland and must be respected by all means. See Below____
>
>         The *Swiss National Day* is the national holiday
>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day>of Switzerland
>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland>, set on 1
>         August.__*It has been an official national holiday since 1994 *,
>         although the day had been used for the celebration of the
>         foundation of the Swiss Confederacy for the first time in 1891,
>         and then repeated annually since 1899.^1]
>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_National_Day#cite_note-1> ____
>
>         The date is inspired by the date of the Federal Charter of 1291
>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Charter_of_1291>, *_Pacte
>         du Grutli, _*placed in "early August",^[2]
>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_National_Day#cite_note-2>
>         *_when "three Alpine cantons swore the oath of confederation"
>         (Schwyz, Uri and Unterwald), _*an action *which later came to be
>         regarded as the foundation of Switzerland*."^[3]
>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_National_Day#cite_note-swissworld-3>
>         /^needed
>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed> /^] ____
>
>         The Federal Charter of 1291 first assumed great importance in a
>         report by the Federal Department of Home Affairs
>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Department_of_Home_Affairs>of
>         21 November 1889, suggesting a celebration in Bern
>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bern>in 1891 that would combine
>         the city's 700th anniversary with the Confederacy's
>         600thanniversary.^[ /^citation needed
>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed> /^] ____
>
>         ^I remember, we did not have any meeting on 4TH July as we
>         respected the National Holiday of American. ____
>
>         ^I therefore have serious difficulties to accept the shift of
>         the meeting from 02 to 01 August disrespecting the national
>         holiday of a respectful nation ____
>
>         ^Pls move the meeting back to 02 August ____
>
>         ^Regards ____
>
>         ^Kavouss ____
>
>         __ __
>
>         __ __
>
>         On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Paul Rosenzweig
>         <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>         <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>> wrote:____
>
>             +1  ____
>
>              ____
>
>             Paul____
>
>              ____
>
>             Paul Rosenzweig____
>
>             paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>             <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>____
>
>             O: +1 (202) 547-0660 <tel:(202)%20547-0660>____
>
>             M: +1 (202) 329-9650 <tel:(202)%20329-9650>____
>
>             VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 <tel:(202)%20738-1739>____
>
>             www.redbranchconsulting.com
>             <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/>____
>
>             My PGP Key:
>             https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
>             <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684>____
>
>              ____
>
>             *From:* ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org
>             <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org>
>             [mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org
>             <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of
>             *Jordan Carter
>             *Sent:* Sunday, July 30, 2017 7:39 PM
>             *To:* Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
>             <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>>
>             *Cc:* ACCT-Staff (acct-staff at icann.org
>             <mailto:acct-staff at icann.org>) <acct-staff at icann.org
>             <mailto:acct-staff at icann.org>>; ws2-jurisdiction
>             <ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org>>
>             *Subject:* Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction]
>             CCWG-Accountability-WS2-Jurisdiction-Meeting Scheduled for
>             Wednesday 2 August 1300____
>
>              ____
>
>             Dear Kavouss, dear all,____
>
>              ____
>
>             I would like to lend my support to the process that Greg has
>             set out. It is important for the integrity of the CCWG's
>             process that decisions about what work to request from ICANN
>             are made by sub-groups as a whole or by the CCWG plenary.____
>
>              ____
>
>             If the Jurisdiction group decides that the sort of written
>             material being requested is required, then I am sure that
>             ICANN will look favourably at that request and provide it as
>             soon as possible.____
>
>
>             The written transcripts of the call will help make any
>             verbal briefings and information available and easier to
>             understand as well.____
>
>              ____
>
>             I look forward to hearing how the call goes.____
>
>              ____
>
>             All bests,____
>
>             Jordan____
>
>              ____
>
>              ____
>
>             On 31 July 2017 at 07:40, Kavouss Arasteh
>             <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
>             <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>> wrote:____
>
>                 Dear Greg____
>
>                 Thank you for reply.____
>
>                 I know many people do not wish to react or act on OFAC
>                 as they would like that such unreasonable continued to
>                 be applied to some limited number of countries . You may
>                 not have any point to do that .____
>
>                 Sam Eisner explanation MUST BE IN WRITTEN FORM as I have
>                 serious difficulties to understand her  message while
>                 she may speak very  well but I have difficulty to get
>                 the message  so I want an advance copy of her
>                 explanation before the meeting  .____
>
>                 Pls note that I am not alone on the issue. If there are
>                 not other people at call that does not mean that I am
>                 alone.____
>
>                 It seems that OFAC ISSUE WILL NOT BE TREATED since
>                 according to you there is no support for that. That is
>                 not what we expected from your Group.____
>
>                 I know that there must be other motivation than
>                 technical and administrative that this question is
>                 rejected by you and your colleagues.____
>
>                 However, this is an important issue and MUST be
>                 addressed .____
>
>                 You can not ignore it even if there are few countries
>                 affected.____
>
>                 I will not leave as such to be put at corner by you. I
>                 will insist and ask for a written documents ____
>
>                 There is no relation with state assets and DNS .There
>                 were and still there are other motivation to apply it
>                 and other motivation NOT to address it. I do not know
>                 what are those motivations.____
>
>                 At any meeting you as a participants push and sushi for
>                 your points and taking considerable amount of time of
>                 the meeting since you have several supporters.____
>
>                 Pls kindly reconsider your position and be a little bit
>                 helpful and not categorically object to my legitimate
>                 requiert .____
>
>                 Tks for your kind attention and advice____
>
>                 Kavouss ____
>
>                  ____
>
>                 On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Greg Shatan
>                 <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>> wrote:____
>
>                     Kavouss,____
>
>                      ____
>
>                     I am responding to your various emails regarding
>                     your request that ICANN Legal be required to prepare
>                     a comprehensive "written history background
>                     Document" on OFAC and ICANN before meeting with the
>                     Jurisdiction Subgroup.  As you know, Samantha Eisner
>                     from ICANN Legal is scheduled to meet with the
>                     Jurisdiction Subgroup on Tuesday, August 1 at
>                     13:00. ____
>
>                      ____
>
>                     You suggested this course of action in the
>                     Jurisdiction Subgroup meeting on July 26.  There was
>                     no other support for this course of action in the
>                     Subgroup meeting.  At that time, I proposed that we
>                     would start by hearing from ICANN legal in the
>                     meeting and engaging in Q&A with ICANN.  The
>                     Subgroup would then be able to decide if we needed
>                     to ask ICANN further questions, if we wanted written
>                     responses, etc.  There was no opposition to this
>                     course of action, other than from yourself.  I
>                     believe this is all reflected in the transcript.____
>
>                      ____
>
>                     I will note that, subsequent to the meeting, no one
>                     from the Subgroup has responded to your emails in
>                     support of your request.  In conjunction with the
>                     results in the Subgroup meeting, I believe it fair
>                     to conclude that there is not sufficient support for
>                     your request in the Subgroup.____
>
>                      ____
>
>                     Therefore, we will proceed as agreed on the last
>                     call and documented in the transcript.  We will hear
>                     from ICANN Legal and ask questions. The Subgroup
>                     (and not any single participant) will then decide
>                     what, if any, follow-up is needed.  ____
>
>                      ____
>
>                     After this email, I will send out an email to the
>                     list requesting questions for ICANN Legal, which we
>                     can provide them in advance of the call.  I hope
>                     that you will contribute to this effort.____
>
>                      ____
>
>                     Please note that there are times when professional
>                     and personal obligations may prevent from responding
>                     to ICANN-related emails as quickly as I might wish.
>                     As with all of my ICANN activities, I am acting as
>                     Rapporteur entirely on a volunteer basis, which is
>                     only possible if I meet my obligations to my
>                     employer and our clients, devote some time to my
>                     family, and attend to other responsibilities that
>                     may be pressing at any given time.____
>
>                      ____
>
>                     I look forward to your continued contributions to
>                     the work of the Jurisdiction Subgroup.____
>
>                      ____
>
>                     Best regards,____
>
>                      ____
>
>                     Greg Shatan____
>
>                      ____
>
>                      ____
>
>                      ____
>
>                     On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Kavouss Arasteh
>                     <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
>                     <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>> wrote:____
>
>                         Dear Grec, I have no problem for moving that
>                         meeting by one day to Tuseday.____
>
>                         But I insist that before the meeting we need a
>                         written history background Document as I have
>                         asked.____
>
>                         I think this is absolutely necessary e to have a
>                         written doc. in addition to verbal explanation
>                         by SAM ,____
>
>                         I do not understand why my e-mail has not been
>                         replied.____
>
>                         Pls kindly explain.____
>
>                         Herb is kindly requested to monitor the process
>                         as I will take the non reply formally to him and
>                         to the co-chairs that till now have not reacted
>                         even though I copied  my correspendenc to them
>                         as well ____
>
>                         Regards____
>
>                          ____
>
>                          ____
>
>                         On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Mueller, Milton
>                         L <milton at gatech.edu <mailto:milton at gatech.edu>>
>                         wrote:____
>
>                             The time change is OK with me. ____
>
>                              ____
>
>                             Hopefully we can devote all of the call to
>                             Q&A on OFAC and choice of law and can
>                             dispense with the other stuff. ____
>
>                              ____
>
>                             We might also provide a channel for advance
>                             submission of questions so that the
>                             opportunity to ask questions is fairly
>                             distributed among different subgroup
>                             participants. ____
>
>                              ____
>
>                             Dr. Milton L. Mueller____
>
>                             Professor, School of Public Policy____
>
>                             Georgia Institute of Technology____
>
>                              ____
>
>                              ____
>
>                              ____
>
>                              ____
>
>                             *From:* ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org
>                             <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org>
>                             [mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org
>                             <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org>]
>                             *On Behalf Of *Bernard Turcotte
>                             *Sent:* Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:26 PM
>                             *To:* ws2-jurisdiction
>                             <ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org
>                             <mailto:ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org>>;
>                             ACCT-Staff (acct-staff at icann.org
>                             <mailto:acct-staff at icann.org>)
>                             <acct-staff at icann.org
>                             <mailto:acct-staff at icann.org>>
>                             *Subject:* [Ws2-jurisdiction]
>                             CCWG-Accountability-WS2-Jurisdiction-Meeting
>                             Scheduled for Wednesday 2 August 1300____
>
>                              ____
>
>                             All,____
>
>                              ____
>
>                             Unfortunately Sam Eisner cannot join our
>                             Wednesday 2 August 1300 meeting but could
>                             participate on Tuesday 1 August 1300 to
>                             cover the topics of OFAC and Choice of Law
>                             from the ICANN perspective.____
>
>                              ____
>
>                             As such Greg is suggesting that we move our
>                             scheduled meeting to Tuesday 1 August 1300
>                             and cancel the Wednesday 2 August 1300
>                             meeting.____
>
>                              ____
>
>                             Please advise acct-staff at icann.org
>                             <mailto:acct-staff at icann.org> by 23:59 UTC
>                             27 July if you have serious objections to
>                             this change of date.____
>
>                              ____
>
>                             Greg will consider the responses and confirm
>                             his decision regarding this by the EOB
>                             tomorrow to allow everyone to plan
>                             accordingly.____
>
>                              ____
>
>                             For Greg Shatan____
>
>                              ____
>
>                             Bernard Turcotte____
>
>                             ICANN Support Staff to the
>                             CCWG-Accountability-WS2____
>
>                              ____
>
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